Anybody sold their Defender TD5 or Puma.....

.....and bought the new Defender?

l've got a new 90 Commercial on order but not sure l want to swap my 2005 110 for it.

l ordered it after the LEZ came in here, but have since discovered that mine is exempt.

lightning said:

l ordered it after the LEZ came in here, but have since discovered that mine is exempt.

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Checked my puma with my reg number on the gov website. Its only got temporary exemption (in manchester ulez) until june 2023 after which it will be 10 sovs a day.

Yes you've got a temporary exemption if you live within the zone or your commercial vehicle is less than 3 1/2 tonnes GVW l think

Nobody on here got the new Defender then?

lightning said:

Nobody on here got the new Defender then?

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No...but I have recovered about 9 so far

Really? That's not good. l hoped LR was improving their reliability

lightning said:

Really? That's not good. l hoped LR was improving their reliability

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I wouldn't say so. Range Rovers - steering modules and general electrical issues. Discos - steering modules and engine seizures. Defenders - battery issues, alternator issues, and general electrical issues.

Beneagles said:

I wouldn't say so. Range Rovers - steering modules and general electrical issues. Discos - steering modules and engine seizures. Defenders - battery issues, alternator issues, and general electrical issues.

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It beggars belief why people buy these utterly sh!te vehicles with prices starting at £50k and quickly working north of £75k. Whilst JLR product is aesthetically pleasing and luxurious why people continue to put up with these extreme levels of unreliability is incomprehensible when there are far better vehicles available at half the cost and never/rarely fail. The phrase, "a fool and his money..." comes to mind.

l don't know, l have a lot of customers with LR products including quite a few with the new Defender and none of them have had any issues.

lf you go on most car forums you will see the horror stories.

For instance if you look on the Jeep Wrangler forum the first page is dominated by two horror stories about bad customer service, faults not rectified etc but the Wrangler is generally okay.

Likewise on the VW van forum you've got the owners with EGR issues that the dealer can't rectify, and on the VW car forum it's running issues caused by software updates.

If you visit the Transit Connect forum you'd never buy one. But they are a good van, l had one for six years and 80,000 miles

And that's just the forums l've been on.

For sure the horror stories are concentrated on the forums. But, all but one of the folk I know who has/has had a modern Land Rover product has had significant issues...this totalling some 20 vehicles. Two of whom have simply driven their cars [1x RR, 1x Evoque] back to the dealer and demanded a full refund. In both instances this was after 18+mths of the dealers trying to repair multiple failures with both brand new cars spending more time with Land Rover than with the owners/on the road - and in both cases JLR refusing to take back their utterly crap vehicles until both owners [who know each other well] put their cases with their lawyers. JLR paid up.

I have been tempted at buying a RR V8 over the past two years but know it would be a wallet emptying exercise and I'm not prepared for this when I already own the world's most reliable all round best vehicle...the humble Subaru Forester. JLR really need to take a leaf out of the Subaru design & build quality book.

Oddly, the one person who has an absolute fault free JLR vehicle owns a Freelander 2 HSE, bought second hand and owned for 4+ years.

You're putting me off buying a new Defender Commercial !!

lightning said:

You're putting me off buying a new Defender Commercial !!

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I wouldn't want to put you off. I really want to buy a new Defender 90, went along to the JLR dealer's champagne evenings when the 110 was launched, really liked them but came away thinking those 85x ecu's are going to fail and they're going to fail when you least want them to in the most difficult of locations. And this excludes all the other electronic and electromechanical tech that going to fail.

Frankly, I'm not sure what to do. I love the new Defender for its design and practicality...the new Foresters are meh and are too e-Boxer with low grade/non-sports specs in the UK. I'm most likely going to import one of these, only 300 made...the Forester Ts

I think a lot of owners of the new defenders have purchased via finance deals. After 3 or 5 years they just hand the car back and onto the next one.

I don't know many people who purchase 50k+ cars in cash nowadays.

Yes it would be finance for me, plus the sale of my 110
After the 4 year PCP agreement l would owe £18,000 and would plan to pay that with a pension lump sum, which would be available by then as l would be 65.

turrican said:

I think a lot of owners of the new defenders have purchased via finance deals. After 3 or 5 years they just hand the car back and onto the next one.

I don't know many people who purchase 50k+ cars in cash nowadays.

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This +1. But who would want to pay £700-900 pcm on a product that's not fit for purpose? Do JLR offer a time failure refund on the number of days/weeks/months that their vehicles are off the road? I for one would simply refuse to pay for a product/service that's frequently fails and certainly not whilst I would not have access to the product/service I'm contractually paying for. I've looked at the cost through business lease, financially it makes no sense.

lt's only possible for me because the sale of my 110 will raise a fairly large down payment, making the PCP payment under £300 per month.
Although that's on the lead in 90 Commercial version with minimal options.

Also the Commercial version doesn't have the £2,000+ initial road tax payment

lightning said:

Also the Commercial version doesn't have the £2,000+ initial road tax punishment

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Corrected.

lightning said:

Nobody on here got the new Defender then?

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I ran one for 6Mths in early 2021 (D7x L663 110 D240 to be exact), it was OK - but I wouldn’t spend my money on it as its too unreliable (electrical gremlins) and ludicrously expensive.

You have to live with the hassle of it regularly visiting an overstretched dealer network wrestling with the Warranty workload/ factory recalls that are plaguing the L663 - I prefer the D5 (same platform, more comfort, less faults) but each to their own……

My Defender TD5 is becoming more desirable as a keeper

lightning said:

Yes it would be finance for me, plus the sale of my 110
After the 4 year PCP agreement l would owe £18,000 and would plan to pay that with a pension lump sum, which would be available by then as l would be 65.

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I don't mean to be rude, but you're either a tad daft. Or, have a massive pension lump sum on the way, of which 18k is just a small fraction. I hope you've got a massive lump some coming and a huge annual pension.