Another Defender 90 Propshaft Question...Advice sought.

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On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:28:11 +0000 (UTC), Jon <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:20:57 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In message <[email protected]>
>> Jon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I decided to investigate the knocking and grumbling noise to the rear
>>> of my 90 today. As well as getting wet I found that I have a worn
>>> rear UJ. This isnt the problem, the seized spline however is.
>>>
>>> So my rerar prop is about dead at the moment. The front UJ is fine
>>> and there is some play in the rear UJ so i'll replace that. But, can
>>> anything be done with the seized spline?
>>>
>>> When I say seized I mean it neads a lump hammer with some persuasion
>>> to extend the spline and equal amounts of force to push back together.
>>>
>>> My first thought was a lack of grease, but about 1/4 trigger later and
>>> new grease was pouring from the joint???
>>>
>>> Any thoughts please? Are the splines servicable (hopefully) or is it
>>> new prop time?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Jon
>>

Well last night so the return of the do-it-all tool, aka Hi-Lift Jack
to split the prop!

Finally got the thing appart to reveal lots of muddy grease. Once all
that was gone and everything was clean, despite looking in great
condition things still wouldn't slide together.

The male side also looks in fairly good condition, all the nylon
sleeve is intact.

A quick finger feel revealed surface rust / pitting on the female side
of the splines. 10 minutes later after rubbing with the least
abrasive things I could find (some green felty stuff frum under her
kitchen sink!!) and things started to slide a bit better.

Lots of grease later and its almost like new - How long for though I
dont know, I guess I'll have to check it in a month or so to see if
the rust is coming back.

At least its saved me £75 for now!

Have Fun and thanks for the good tips.

Jon
 
....and Simon Isaacs spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>> I've often seen people working in the dry and I'm sure they aren't
>> getting the full hit.
>>
>> Lee
>
>
> you owe me a new keyboard!

And me. I swear the b*stard has been watching me.

--
Rich
==============================

There are ten kinds of people in the world - those who understand
binary and those who don't.


 
Richard Brookman <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
>
> And me. I swear the b*stard has been watching me.

Today, I have

Checked the laguna Pads
Refitted the Diff lock actuator on the 101 (It works, it works!)
relocated the accelerator cable on the 101 and welded new lever to the pedal
(It works too!)
resealed the roof and replaced roof pannel in the 101

I've not got wet... not scarred and not cut... boy am I going to pay for
this! Still has been a while since I managed to stab my self in the eye
with long nosed pliers having slipped off a split pin and loosing my balance
whilst stooping under the wheel arch of the old Rangie.

Lee


 
On or around Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:06:06 +0000 (UTC), Jon <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>>
>>The best advice I read on doing this job was to jack up one wheel so you
>>can turn the prop shaft and so easily get at the various nuts and bolts to
>>remove the UJs. (Now, did I get that right?)
>>
>>Derry
>
>This is what I do, assisted by a 14mm and 9/16 spanner.

I've always found that a good quality (mine are britool) 9/16 ring spanner
will do 'em. not quite as handy as the cunning socket, mind. I might look
into a 3/8 drive socket; I already have a wobbly extension bar. I reckon a
3/8 drive socket would get in there.
--
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Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
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Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On or around Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:06:06 +0000 (UTC), Jon
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>>
>>>The best advice I read on doing this job was to jack up one wheel so
>>>you can turn the prop shaft and so easily get at the various nuts and
>>>bolts to remove the UJs. (Now, did I get that right?)
>>>
>>>Derry
>>
>>This is what I do, assisted by a 14mm and 9/16 spanner.
>
> I've always found that a good quality (mine are britool) 9/16 ring
> spanner will do 'em. not quite as handy as the cunning socket, mind.
> I might look into a 3/8 drive socket; I already have a wobbly
> extension bar. I reckon a 3/8 drive socket would get in there.

I bought the special tool. But you are right. i couldn't find the damned
thing when I needed it, so used a socket turning the prop shaft using the
wheel method to get the correct angle.

As soon as I'd finished the job, I found the tool again....

Derry
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> I've always found that a good quality (mine are britool) 9/16 ring spanner
> will do 'em. not quite as handy as the cunning socket, mind. I might look
> into a 3/8 drive socket; I already have a wobbly extension bar. I reckon a
> 3/8 drive socket would get in there.

Yep - wobbly extension and a thin-walled full hex socket works well.
Time for you to hunt down the Snap-On tools man Austin.


--
EMB
 
On or around Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:40 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>> I've always found that a good quality (mine are britool) 9/16 ring spanner
>> will do 'em. not quite as handy as the cunning socket, mind. I might look
>> into a 3/8 drive socket; I already have a wobbly extension bar. I reckon a
>> 3/8 drive socket would get in there.
>
>Yep - wobbly extension and a thin-walled full hex socket works well.
>Time for you to hunt down the Snap-On tools man Austin.

nah. Snap-on cost an arm and a leg.

actually, the "lifetime guarantee" tools from Halfords are quite impressive.
I buy tools from all manner of places, and apart from coming unstuck
occasionally with things that aren't as good as they should be, mostly
they're OK - I tend to look at the quality of the manufacture - decent tools
generally are sharp, smooth and shiny in the places they should be and not
these things where they shouldn't. cheap crap tools are often not sharp or
smooth where they should be.

Which ain't to say that if I win the lottery I wouldn't go out and buy a
full set of snap-on, they're very good. But too expensive for me in the
normal run of things.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:40 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:

>>Time for you to hunt down the Snap-On tools man Austin.
>
> nah. Snap-on cost an arm and a leg.

Granted - but they make about the thinnest wall sockets that are readily
available (and they work on UJ nuts) - hence the reason I suggested them.

>
> Which ain't to say that if I win the lottery I wouldn't go out and buy a
> full set of snap-on, they're very good. But too expensive for me in the
> normal run of things.

If (after 25 odd years of amassing them) I sold my collection of tools
I'd be able to buy new Defender (or maybe two). But as you say, a
lottery win (or in my case a small inheritance as I was doing my
apprenticeship) is a bit of a necessity if one is going to patronise the
Snap-On man terribly often.


--
EMB
 

"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > On or around Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:45:40 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> > enlightened us thusly:
>
> >>Time for you to hunt down the Snap-On tools man Austin.
> >
> > nah. Snap-on cost an arm and a leg.
>
> Granted - but they make about the thinnest wall sockets that are readily
> available (and they work on UJ nuts) - hence the reason I suggested them.
>
Wot 'e sez, my 9/16" deep single hex 3/8" drive socket has undone literally
hundreds of props over the years and it's still in excellent condition.

> >
> > Which ain't to say that if I win the lottery I wouldn't go out and buy a
> > full set of snap-on, they're very good. But too expensive for me in the
> > normal run of things.
>
> If (after 25 odd years of amassing them) I sold my collection of tools
> I'd be able to buy new Defender (or maybe two). But as you say, a
> lottery win (or in my case a small inheritance as I was doing my
> apprenticeship) is a bit of a necessity if one is going to patronise the
> Snap-On man terribly often.
>
Not expensive if you buy the one you need as you need it, no need to go full
sets and shiny toolboxes all at one go.

Martin


 
Oily wrote:

> Not expensive if you buy the one you need as you need it, no need to go full
> sets and shiny toolboxes all at one go.

Expensive is all relative - my tool collection is worth about 3 years of
a good mechanic's gross wages here (and not a single Snap-On toolbox).
Whether you buy that amount of gear piecemeal or not it still hurts the
pocket.

--
EMB
 
On or around Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:21:45 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Oily wrote:
>
>> Not expensive if you buy the one you need as you need it, no need to go full
>> sets and shiny toolboxes all at one go.
>
>Expensive is all relative - my tool collection is worth about 3 years of
>a good mechanic's gross wages here (and not a single Snap-On toolbox).
>Whether you buy that amount of gear piecemeal or not it still hurts the
>pocket.

Just got a new toy delivered: more impressive-looking impact gun, from
Axminster.

http://www.axminster.co.uk/sessionI...eavy-Duty-Twin-Hammer-Impact-Wrench-30622.htm

(http://tinyurl.com/8axvu)

come in a nice placcy case which precludes the gun fitting in it with a
suitable adapter to plug the airline into, much less the cunning inline
oiler. How clever is that? Actually, I don't think I'll leave the inline
oiler on it - looks prone to get damaged; I reckon I'll just squirt oil up
it's jacksie every now and then.

The non-performing one has gone back to the seller, who's supposed to be
looking at it. I may yet get it back, or a refund, or may not.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:21:45 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Oily wrote:
>>
>>> Not expensive if you buy the one you need as you need it, no need
>>> to go full sets and shiny toolboxes all at one go.
>>
>> Expensive is all relative - my tool collection is worth about 3
>> years of a good mechanic's gross wages here (and not a single
>> Snap-On toolbox). Whether you buy that amount of gear piecemeal or
>> not it still hurts the pocket.
>
> Just got a new toy delivered: more impressive-looking impact gun, from
> Axminster.
>
> http://www.axminster.co.uk/sessionI...eavy-Duty-Twin-Hammer-Impact-Wrench-30622.htm
>
> (http://tinyurl.com/8axvu)
>
> come in a nice placcy case which precludes the gun fitting in it with
> a suitable adapter to plug the airline into, much less the cunning
> inline oiler. How clever is that? Actually, I don't think I'll
> leave the inline oiler on it - looks prone to get damaged; I reckon
> I'll just squirt oil up it's jacksie every now and then.
>
> The non-performing one has gone back to the seller, who's supposed to
> be looking at it. I may yet get it back, or a refund, or may not.

Are there really that many heavy duty twins about that you need a special
impact air gun for them!

--
If Your specification is vague or imprecise, you'll likely get what you
asked for not what you wanted!

He who says it cannot be done would be wise not to interrupt her doing
it.


 
On or around Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:31:21 GMT, "GbH"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Are there really that many heavy duty twins about that you need a special
>impact air gun for them!

Can't find a picture of one now. There used to be some sod-off V twin motor
pacer machines in the old days.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
jOn wrote:
> "Karen Gallagher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> jOn wrote:
>>> Prolly best to renew it,I bought one of those propshaft removal
>>> sockets takes a couple of minutes with an air ratchet now :)
>>
>> What do they look like? I've not seen one here (in Australia),
>> presumably long & thin?
>
> Yes
> http://www.difflock.com/buyersguide/tools/lr_propshaft_tool.shtml
>
> spose a socket and extension could be ground down to work.

Thanks, I've got one on back order now ...

Karen


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast


 


"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
....and Simon Isaacs spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>> I've often seen people working in the dry and I'm sure they aren't
>> getting the full hit.
>>
>> Lee
>
>
> you owe me a new keyboard!

And me. I swear the b*stard has been watching me.

--
Rich
==============================

There are ten kinds of people in the world - those who understand
binary and those who don't.



Your sig is only true if you spell it in binary, I'm afraid - it's 10, not
ten!

Karen
--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast


 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:31:21 GMT, "GbH"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>> Are there really that many heavy duty twins about that you need a
>> special impact air gun for them!
>
> Can't find a picture of one now. There used to be some sod-off V
> twin motor pacer machines in the old days.

One comes to mind Vincent 1000, of corse Arle David's kids.
--
If Your specification is vague or imprecise, you'll likely get what you
asked for not what you wanted!

He who says it cannot be done would be wise not to interrupt her doing
it.


 
On or around Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:00:31 GMT, "GbH"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:31:21 GMT, "GbH"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>
>>> Are there really that many heavy duty twins about that you need a
>>> special impact air gun for them!
>>
>> Can't find a picture of one now. There used to be some sod-off V
>> twin motor pacer machines in the old days.
>
>One comes to mind Vincent 1000, of corse Arle David's kids.

the ones I was thinking of were bigger than that. likesay, can't find any
pictures now. Anzani or somesuch engines.
--
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....and Karen Gallagher spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

> Rich
> ==============================
>
> There are ten kinds of people in the world - those who understand
> binary and those who don't.
>
>
>
> Your sig is only true if you spell it in binary, I'm afraid - it's
> 10, not ten!
>
> Karen

You are so right. Mind you, I tagged it onto a mailing I sent round work
and no-one noticed, not even our senior IT technician. He replied to say he
had been laughing about it all day. Now I can go up to him and ask why he
didn't spot the deliberate mistake. Ho ho.

--
Rich
==============================

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary
and those who don't.


 
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