Advise please on P38 2.5 verses Vouge 200tdi?

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Hi, I have a P38 DT and find it smooth and powerfull enough for what I need it for, tbh I really like the BMW lump and as you will find out there are many with starship mileage so that speaks for itself. I changed the suspension to coils which in my opinion (many on here disagree)make it simpler and more reliable (good handling, ride and stability, don't believe the knockers) and as with whatever make you get it costs to maintain any 4 x 4 right. if you go for a shogun (I had a pajero) the 2.5 is very underpowered but both the 2.5 and the 2.8 are prone to cracked heads (visit POCUK). Good to see that you are doing research first. As somebody said on here what to look out for on a RR-everything between the front and back bumper but I love my RR, it just feels better than the Pajero and in my opinion is better in the snow, whatever you go for best of luck.
Davie
 
I agree with DavieF. My softdash 300tdi had been put back on coils before I bought it.

Couple of years back my exhaust needed changing and I thought I would like a bit more power.

Went to see see Charlie at Twisted Performance and had a much larger intercooler fitted and a stainless steel exhaust.

Result, more power, surprisingly better economy, can now get 30 on the run sometimes, and an amazing and totally legal exhaust sound when given a little loud pedal.

Well recommended.
 
It must have been going down a very long hill when that measurement was taken.:D:D:D

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IMHO... although a bit limited.

I would go for the BMW engine. The problem is the P38's computers and gizmo's that come with it. As has been said. The comfort comes with technology and that equals head takes when it goes wrong. Having said that.... you can usually trace it if you understand how the systems work.

I've owned both a 200dti, a 300tdi a classic V8 and now a P38 DSE. All had issues and to be honest none are really any easier to fix than the other (depends on what's gone wrong to be honest). But I've stuck with the P38 now and it will be fixed regardless of what goes wrong with it.

The BMW engine is smooth, and although a little underpowered compared to the V8 can be brought up to par..
 
Was just reading about an LPG Vogue doing 32mpg, what sort of mileage out of a Classic DI ?


Dont think so! A lot of people ,when quoting MPG on LPG quote the eqivalent pertol MPG.

So if they are getting 16 mpg on lpg and its roughly half the price of petrol then they say they are getting the equivalent to 32 mpg.

Normal to get 15% ish less on lpg than on petrol due to lower energy content of LPG. This would mean that they would be getting about 36.8mpg on petrol........erm....NO!
 
Dont think so! A lot of people ,when quoting MPG on LPG quote the eqivalent pertol MPG.

So if they are getting 16 mpg on lpg and its roughly half the price of petrol then they say they are getting the equivalent to 32 mpg.

Normal to get 15% ish less on lpg than on petrol due to lower energy content of LPG. This would mean that they would be getting about 36.8mpg on petrol........erm....NO!

Completely agree - I used to get 15mpg on my old classic running LPG.... at the time LPG was only 56ppl against 118 petrol. Now your looking at 72p against 122. Not so good if you ask me. Unless of course you can sort out filling the thing with household LPG but to remain legal need to declare it to pay the duty.

Be wise when reading eBay adds... some people say they get silly miles from one fill up. What they don't tell you is that they used both LPG and Petrol tanks to do it...lol plus allot also just double the petrol mpg in false hope that LPG give the same as Petrol and is half the price. Neither is true. In addition, what ever the in dash tells you - Don't trust it. The only real way of telling your MPG is to measure from Brim to Brim fill up... even then, as you drive in different temps and with changing loads (towing, speeding, up hill, cold, warm etc - it all chances anyway).
 
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How do they drive on LPG as heard yesterday, they are lumpy and nasty at low revs and as pointed out less torque on LPG?
 
Whats the difference between a 200TDi and 300TDi? My brother is after a diesel RR and faces a similar dilemma - Classic vs P38!
 
Although the 200Tdi engine had been an undoubted technological and sales success, it had certain limitations and flaws that needed to be rectified. Despite the numerous differences, it was still in essence a direct-injection version of the older Diesel Turbo engine. It was also considered rather raucous and unrefined, especially for use in the Discovery and Range Rover models. A special version of the engine had to be produced to fit the Defender, and problems with premature bore wear in early models, and a weak head gasket had been identified. The British Army (and some other military buyers) had not opted for the 200Tdi because it could not be fitted with a 24-volt generator for powering radio equipment- instead the Army continued to buy vehicles with 2.5-litre naturally-aspirated diesels. Upcoming European diesel emissions regulations (Euro I) meant that Land Rover would be forced to radically alter the engine anyway. The resulting development project (coded Romulus) produced the 300Tdi engine. Although externally very similar to the Discovery/Range Rover version of its predecessor, 208 changes were made. These included modifications to the block, cylinder head, fuel injector system and ancillary systems. The crankshaft,pistons and connecting rods were significantly altered over the 200Tdi. The most obvious external changes were the fitting of a rubber acoustic cover over the engine to reduce noise and the change to a single serpentine belt to drive the ancillaries instead of the multiple V-belts of the older engines. Emissions regulation included the fitting of an exhaust gas recirculation system. Power and torque outputs remained the same, and the engine had been specifically designed to be compatible with all the models in the Land Rover range without any changes. This meant that the Defender engines were fitted in the same tune as the Discovery/Range Rover engines. The 300Tdi was noticeably smoother and quieter than the 200Tdi, but was generally found to not be quite as economical in real-world use. It turned out that the Euro I emissions regulations were not as severe as Land Rover anticipated, and so the 300Tdi was able to remain in production until the introduction of the Euro III rules. When fitted to vehicles with an automatic transmission, power was increased to 122 horsepower to make up for the power losses in the transmission. These engines (designated 23L) had Bosch Electronic Diesel Control systems, where the mechanical injector system was controlled by a ‘fly-by-wire’ electronic throttle to reduce emissions. The 300Tdi was replaced in 1998 by the 5-cylinder Td5, bringing to an end the line of Land Rover 4-cylinder engines that can be traced back to 1957. The Td5 engine was loosely based on the Rover Group’s L-series diesel engine. The 300Tdi remained in production in Brazil, and was offered as an option on ‘Rest of World’ (non-UK/Europe) models. Following Ford’s acquisition of Land Rover in 2000, the engine was used in Brazilian-built Ford pick-up trucks as well. Increasing emissions laws worldwide and falling sales led to production of the 300Tdi ending in 2006. A much-modified 2.8-litre version is still built by International Engines in Brazil, and is available as an after-market fitment to Land Rovers through specialist converters
 
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