advice re. Series 2 engine..

Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).

Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.

The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.

So, choices choices

1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
-Richard?)

2. Swap the engine. This doesn't seem like a lot of work to me? More
money for another 'unknown' engine

3. Do it right and talk to the nice people at LEGS, Automotive wossit
(?) or Turners. Big dosh, but job done for another 20 years.


It will drive home OK (only a mile). is it worth trying to change the
head gasket? How long will it take me and how likely is it all to go
back together?


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

In message <[email protected]>
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

> Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
> on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
>
> Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
> There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
> is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
>
> The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
>
> So, choices choices
>
> 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
> find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
> put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
> before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
> -Richard?)
>

Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
£17.62 each inc VAT.

> 2. Swap the engine. This doesn't seem like a lot of work to me? More
> money for another 'unknown' engine
>
> 3. Do it right and talk to the nice people at LEGS, Automotive wossit
> (?) or Turners. Big dosh, but job done for another 20 years.
>
>
> It will drive home OK (only a mile). is it worth trying to change the
> head gasket? How long will it take me and how likely is it all to go
> back together?

Its not difficult - no fancy tools required except a torque wrench.
Most likely you'd want to get the head skimmed (£30-£50 or so), apart
from that if you thought it would be a goer when you had the lid off
the valve guide seals etc may be worth doing
STC1564 Top End Set - 2¼D (includes head gasket) £9.72 inc VAT

Allowing for any head skimming (over night usually) it's probably
best to allow a day if it's your first attempt. The Haynes book
tells you all you need to know.

Personaly, if it doesnt look to bad I'd give it a try - an unknown
engine could come to haunt you....... but then a 2¼ petrol is only
worth a lift on the trailer these days.

>
>

Richard

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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
>> on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
>>
>> Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
>> There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
>> is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
>>
>> The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
>>
>> So, choices choices
>>
>> 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
>> find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
>> put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
>> before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
>> -Richard?)
>>
>
>Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
>£17.62 each inc VAT.
>

I wasn't aware you could take a 2.25 3brg out to 70thou. Where the
hell do you buy pistons from?

Alex

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 19:16:14 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
>>£17.62 each inc VAT.
>>
>
>I wasn't aware you could take a 2.25 3brg out to 70thou. Where the
>hell do you buy pistons from?

Richard, obviously!

In news:[email protected],
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> typed:
| Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
| on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
|
| Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
| There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
| is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
|
| The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
|
| So, choices choices
|
| 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
| find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
| put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
| before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
| -Richard?)
|
| 2. Swap the engine. This doesn't seem like a lot of work to me? More
| money for another 'unknown' engine
|
| 3. Do it right and talk to the nice people at LEGS, Automotive wossit
| (?) or Turners. Big dosh, but job done for another 20 years.
|
|
| It will drive home OK (only a mile). is it worth trying to change the
| head gasket? How long will it take me and how likely is it all to go
| back together?
|
|
| --
|
| Tim Hobbs
|
| '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
| '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
| '03 Volvo V70

Insufficient data. Get it home & rip the head & sump off, and have a look to
see what needs doing. Then make your decisions.

K


--
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- Slartibartfast

>
>Insufficient data. Get it home & rip the head & sump off, and have a look to
>see what needs doing. Then make your decisions.
>
>K

Just been going through Haynes. So long as I get myself organised
(i.e. lots of clean rags, bags for storing bits in etc) and have all
the likely necessary parts to hand it looks within my abilities.

Then again, if the pistons have holes in then I might view it
differently!! Consensus seems to be that this is 1950's
over-engineering and I really ought to have a go.

Roll on Wednesday evening (that's when he comes home).


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just been going through Haynes. So long as I get myself organised
> (i.e. lots of clean rags, bags for storing bits in etc) and have all
> the likely necessary parts to hand it looks within my abilities.
>
> Then again, if the pistons have holes in then I might view it
> differently!! Consensus seems to be that this is 1950's
> over-engineering and I really ought to have a go.
>
> Roll on Wednesday evening (that's when he comes home).


Nah...you'll never do it.

To be fair the worst bit I found doing Percy way way back was the weight of
the cylinder head.

Having replaced the Pistons and big end shells on the Rangie and done a head
gasket replacement at the same time amongst 200 other trivial tasks worst
bit then was sealing the sump after.

You should be fine. Besides it's about time you got them knuckles scraped
again ;0)

Lee D

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:59:26 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:


>Just been going through Haynes. So long as I get myself organised
>(i.e. lots of clean rags, bags for storing bits in etc) and have all
>the likely necessary parts to hand it looks within my abilities.

I've found that lots of sheets of cardboard and a marker pen work
better for keeping bolts in order. just stab holes through the card
(use the bolt itself or a screwdriver) and store them in that. you can
also then write on the board too and keep stuff in exactly the right
position.
Its alright having a bag of bolts for an item - but then you come to
put it back together and find that one bolt is slightly longer than
the others....

>Then again, if the pistons have holes in then I might view it
>differently!! Consensus seems to be that this is 1950's
>over-engineering and I really ought to have a go.

If it all goes wrong then you will _have_ to go buy one of them
turner/automotive engines

>Roll on Wednesday evening (that's when he comes home).

It really isnt that hard!. good luck!

In message <[email protected]>
Alex <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
> >> on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
> >>
> >> Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
> >> There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
> >> is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
> >>
> >> The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
> >>
> >> So, choices choices
> >>
> >> 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
> >> find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
> >> put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
> >> before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
> >> -Richard?)
> >>
> >
> >Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
> >£17.62 each inc VAT.
> >
>
> I wasn't aware you could take a 2.25 3brg out to 70thou. Where the
> hell do you buy pistons from?
>
> Alex

Me! Seriously though, I think that 70thou would be pushing things
a bit.......

Richard
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On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
>> on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
>>
>> Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
>> There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
>> is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
>>
>> The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
>>
>> So, choices choices
>>
>> 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
>> find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
>> put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
>> before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
>> -Richard?)
>>
>
>Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
>£17.62 each inc VAT.
>

Hi Richard,

If I get the lid off and find I need new pistons how quickly can I get
them? Is that an engine-out job? If the pistons are shagged does it
follow that I need the bores honing?


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

In message <[email protected]>
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
> >> on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
> >>
> >> Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
> >> There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
> >> is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
> >>
> >> The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
> >>
> >> So, choices choices
> >>
> >> 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
> >> find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
> >> put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
> >> before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
> >> -Richard?)
> >>
> >
> >Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
> >£17.62 each inc VAT.
> >
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> If I get the lid off and find I need new pistons how quickly can I get
> them? Is that an engine-out job? If the pistons are shagged does it
> follow that I need the bores honing?
>
>

I'm having my first holiday in years from Tuesday to Friday next week,
but normally it's next day.
Ig the pistons are knackerd it is quite likely that the bores would
need honing.

Generally speaking, the engine would have to come out for honing, but
it is possible to fit new pistons with the engine in.

Richard
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"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:a9cb86a44d%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Alex <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:16:22 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >In message <[email protected]>
>> > Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just been to the garage w.r.t. getting Stig back (he went for the MoT
>> >> on 4th July and hasn't come back yet....).
>> >>
>> >> Anyhow, he's ****ing oil, pressurising the coolant and overheating.
>> >> There's always been murk in the oil, so I'm guessing the head gasket
>> >> is past it. It's a 3 bearing 2.25 petrol.
>> >>
>> >> The engine is old and of unknown provenance / condition.
>> >>
>> >> So, choices choices
>> >>
>> >> 1. Take the head off and change the gasket. How hard is this? If I
>> >> find other horrors (knacked pistons etc) can I just ignore them and
>> >> put the new gasket on and work on it not being any worse than it was
>> >> before? How much are the parts to do this (I'm guessing very cheap
>> >> -Richard?)
>> >>
>> >
>> >Head gasket £3.84 inc VAT, pistons (with rings) up to 70thou oversize
>> >£17.62 each inc VAT.
>> >
>>
>> I wasn't aware you could take a 2.25 3brg out to 70thou. Where the
>> hell do you buy pistons from?
>>
>> Alex
>
> Me! Seriously though, I think that 70thou would be pushing things
> a bit.......
>
> Richard


In Augusts LRO they bored a 5 bearing out from 90.47mm
to 95 mm that 4.53 mm or 180 thou
Whether the 3 bearing block is thinner bore walls I don't know
it was all done at ACR in Deeside
--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green