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Adding Bluetooth to factory head unit - guide 99+ p38a's

Discussion in 'Technical Archive' started by 300bhp/ton, Jul 7, 2015.

By 300bhp/ton on Jul 7, 2015 at 1:56 PM
  1. 300bhp/ton

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    I wanted to add Bluetooth functionality to my p38a Range Rover, but didn't want to replace the entire head unit unless I had to do so. As there seems potential issues with the steering wheel controls and if it has the additional harman/kardon amplifier in the boot/trunk.

    Please take this information at face value, I cannot guarantee the accuracy of any of it, nor am I affiliated with any of the companies.


    General info:

    My research has lead me to understand that there are two main radio options on the 99+ model year p38a's. I believe they are both Alpine units. The difference I know of, is one is a 'premium' system and has a sub and amp in the trunk, while the other doesn't.

    In order to get Bluetooth you will need a CD changer capable headunit and steering wheel controls. If you don't, then you'll need to research yourself on what options you have.

    My head unit looks like this:

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    The 'premium' version is likely to say harman/kardon on the door tweeters:
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    And should have a CD changer in the boot, along with a sub and amp:
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    At the CD changer end, there is a unique plug, or at least a plug I could not ID. You will not be able to plug in a Bluetooth unit in the boot, you'll need to access the back of the head unit.



    Specifics about the Bluetooth kit:

    The Bluetooth unit is from a company called Grom.

    Main USA site: USB and Android Car Kits | iPod, iPhone, AUX Car Adapters | Bluetooth Hands Free Car Adapters | Bluetooth Car Kits
    UK site: Home

    Grom sell a number of units, however in simple terms they all simply replace the CD changer on an older stereo. The headunit will still think it is playing a CD, but the input will becoming from the Grom unit. They offer a unit that uses UBS if you prefer to use a USB stick/dongle. And other alternative connection methods that require plugging in via a cable.

    I opted for the simple Bluetooth one, as it doesn't require you to physically plug in anything. This should work fine for iPhones, iPods and Android phones/tablets.

    Specifically I purchased the current version called the Grom-BT3. Although I'm sure as they update it the model number may change.

    For the Alpine headunit in the p38a you'll want the Grom kit that comes with the blue "Rover" or "RVR" style audio plug:
    BMW / Mini / Rover - Bluetooth integration kit.

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    Installation:

    First you need to remove the headunit. There are special tools for this, but I found they where hard to buy online in the UK.

    NOTE: Universal stereo removal keys do not have the right key for this headunit.

    An alternative is to get two Jigsaw blades (the slightly longer ones). Push one blade into each of the slots on the front of the headunit and gently pull it out from the tape deck opening.

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    On the back of the headunit there is a blue plug. This is the cable that goes to the CD changer in the boot. Unplug it carefully and tuck the wire back down inside the dash, there is no need to remove this wiring. And means you can reverse this installation if you choose to do so.

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    The blue plug on the Grom cable should match and plug directly into the head unit:
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    Before refitting the headunit, test the Grom is working.


    Using your chosen Bluetooth device, an iPhone 6 Plus in my case. Simply scan and pair with the Grom:
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    NOTE: If you press the CD button on the headunit it will say 'NO DISC'. This is why you need steering wheel controls. Press the Mode button and the display should change to "CD1-01" And if you play music from your device it should now being coming through the Range Rover's speakers.

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    Assuming it is all working, you can now locate the Grom. Personally I had no intention of using the external ports on the Grom, but if you do, then you may want to site it somewhere else. I found there is ample room behind the headunit. I located the Grom on the lower left hand side, so that it left room the loop the wiring over it.

    I did install the microphone so that I can make and receive calls using it. I fed the microphone out the side of the back of the radio cavety and behind the panel under the steering wheel. I moved the 4 screws that hold the panel under the steering wheel, so as to give a little wiggle room, but removed no trim.

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    To feed the mic through, I got a long cable tie (zip tie), about 8-10" long. And fed it from the footwell into the radio compartment. Then using a small cable tie I attached the mic to the large one and simply used the large cable tie to pull the mic through the dash to my desired location.


    You should now be able to refit the head unit by sliding it back into the dash until it clicks.



    Operation:

    As noted earlier, to switch between radio and the Grom you must use the 'Mode' button on the steering wheel. The headunit and steering wheel mounted track advance buttons should work as they would with a CD and all other headunit functions for sound control should be unaffected.

    The display will not show any extra information than it would with a CD. I have two play lists on my iPhone. But the display only ever reads CD1. And whatever track you start with always seems to be listed as track 1. If you manually advance a track, the track number changes. If you let a song end and the next start, then for some reason the track number doesn't change. Personally I don't have a problem with this, as the track information is displayed on the iPhone anyhow. And to start listening to music you'll need to hit play on the Bluetooth source device (i.e. your phone).


    If your phone rings, then it should ring through the speakers and on answering the phone will let you use the mic and car speakers for calls. I found I had to play with the audio volumes to try and balance these out. The call voice volume I found to be lower than the music volume. So I now set my iPhone to half volume while connected to the Grom. And this seems a good starting point.
     
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Discussion in 'Technical Archive' started by 300bhp/ton, Jul 7, 2015.

    1. ukadamwest
      ukadamwest
      interesting, but i still want to keep the CD changer as my audio collection is on CD.

      Personally, i'm going to send my headunit in for the MP3 input on the front

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    2. Pompey68
      Pompey68
      MP3 input? How, who, where, when, how much?? I'm the same as you, want to keep stock head unit AND cd changer. At the moment I use one of those cassette adapters that plugs into the earphone socket of your phone. Not idea, but works.
    3. biketeacherdave
      biketeacherdave
      I found a good guide on the tube will try n post it looks very simple
    4. biketeacherdave
      biketeacherdave
      How the feck do you copy n paste with a decking tablet?
    5. biketeacherdave
    6. domino
      domino
      Would be good to see a 'how-to' for the Alpine unit..!
    7. 300bhp/ton
      300bhp/ton
      Do people still use CD's? I only buy them, to then copy to *.mp3 and then add to iTunes. No need for a CD player in the car. If you have a smart phone there is no need. Bluethooth all the way. Or opt for the USB option. Anyone with a PC, i.e. almost everyone who posts on a forum, can then copy their music to something like a 16GB USB stick and simply plug it in. And again no need for a CD player...

      That said, each to their own. And if you 'must' retain the CD changer functionality, then this write up obviously isn't going to be a solution for you.

      I would urge people to fully consider what they want from their in-car entertainment. :)
    8. domino
      domino
      Of course people still use CD's - people also still use vinyl.
    9. 300bhp/ton
      300bhp/ton
      In cars while they drive along?

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    10. ukadamwest
      ukadamwest
      GB 4x4 Radios.. I did speak to them and dont remember how much.. the link is here : http://www.gb4x4radios.com/

      The thing is with MP3 players you can only load a ceratin amount. i've been looking at very sizabale MP3 players and with a couple of hundred CD's

      1. i really cant be arsed ripping them all in go (i did start a few years back and just got.. well bored ..) i have a separate hard drive with MP3's on.. but then that means firing up the desk top, plugging in the MP3 player deciding what to delete and and what to upload if ripped.. if not then ripping it first..

      2. its much easier to open the cupboard say hmm i'll listed to that that that and that.. maybe that.. shoving them in the magazine and done..

      3. having CD and MP3 as a choice.. much larger collectionto hand...
    11. Pompey68
      Pompey68
      $140 ??? Lol, I'd rather buy a replacement lol
    12. ukadamwest
      ukadamwest
      Then you lose the steering controls, the CD changer and have a funny looking dash !

      IIRC $140/£90 includes the head unit being given a go over as well.
    13. albany
      albany
      Great write-up. Thanks. Making me feel guilty for not doing it first!

      I installed the GROM USB3 version a few months back - same installation but that also allows USB sticks, Android and iPhones to be plugged in directly for music. The Disc 2-6 CD buttons can then be used to select playlists ("Disc 1" allows use of the iPod screen to choose music). I ran the USB cable to the glovebox and keep an iPod in there. It's pretty good but I find the iPod needs an occasional re-boot if the car has stood for a few days (weak battery in iPod I think). Active tech support with quite frequent firmware updates at the moment.

      On that model, you can use the CD button on the radio or the MODE button on the steering wheel.

      I found there's enough cable to run the microphone up the A pillar and bring it out by the blanking plug for the hand grip on the driver's side. Then it's close to your mouth.

      Good sound and totally stealth (apart from the mic). Bluetooth is slightly quieter than the other sources which tech support say can't be changed. Very nice just to pick up and end a call using steering wheel buttons - just like a modern car!
    14. brackan
      brackan
      Can anyone help lost my radio code and do not have the code to put it back in on my standard head unit
    15. domino
      domino
      Still looking for a DIY way to get the mp3 in for the premium system.
    16. biketeacherdave
      biketeacherdave
      Iv just had my head unit out its the alpine one shown in the first guide unfortunately it is nothing like the how to I posted inside so couldn't add the mp3 dock. I will keep looking on the web n tube to see where its connected internally.

      I'm still trying to track down a hiss on my sound system think I need a known good HU to eliminate it from the problem that will only leave the DSP amp which iv checked over best I can with a circuit diagram.

      Someone on here is sending me there dead amp for me to play with which means I mite be able to do a repair service for those of us with duff DSP amps.

      Watch this space
    17. andrew arends
      andrew arends
      Or you could purchase a blue tooth cassette tape, if it just to be used to play music from your phone, these are at maplin 40 quid , cheaper online, or 2 quid for a cable cassette version what plugs into your phone, anyway the sound is quite good!
      Last edited: May 16, 2016