Abs, traction control and hdc lights on dash

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nicholasdoyle83

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So I've owned my freelancer for all of 2 days, was told when I got her that it would need new front right abs sensor which I have changed and the lights still come back on.

Read on a different thread about the brake light switch above brake pedal and pushing the button in on that which I have also done but the tc light and hdc light stay on permanent now, but the abs light goes off but then comes back o.

I'm starting to lose the plot already any advice would be gratefully received
Thank you
 
Exact same issue on mine but this coincided with grinding front pads.

Changed the pads and never been an issue since.
10 mins each side and 11 quid in parts plus new brakes out the way.
 
If the brake lights aren't coming on - then that needs sorting first - presumably the switch or a fuse (and I'm not saying they're the only possible reasons). That may also fix 3 Amigos being lit.

It amazes me though that people try to give reasons why the 3 Amigos (or any combination) are lit. Fair enough the Rave list of reasons for the different combinations of lights narrows things down, but there is only 1 thing to do when the lights come on - plug in a code reader to find out what's gone wrong - simple - otherwise your just replacing things that probably won't need changing and wasting time, effort and money!

Sometimes the codes coming back don't tell the whole story - eg a FR Sensor fault could be the sensor, the ring or wiring to the sensor - but you know what you need to sort out.
 
If... but there is only 1 thing to do when the lights come on - plug in a code reader to find out what's gone wrong - simple - otherwise your just replacing things that probably won't need changing and wasting time, effort and money!

The Youth of today...sigh...when I were a lad all we had were t'voltmeter, t' circuit digram and common nous...

If the lights are not working there is no computer gubbins involved. Just the switch and the fuse and some wires.

if the fuse is intact, replace the brake switch: there is nothing else it can be apart from a bad cable, and that's almost unknown, whereas the brake switch is a well known piece of **** design. They only cost a tenner anyway.

THEN maybe its worth getting the codes read. If the lights are still on.

But it seems that worn brakes or a sensor failure in the ABS are the more common reason - so its worth doing a visual on those as well.
 
I didn't and don't disagree with you Lenny - sort the brake lights out first then put it on a code reader if that doesn't knock the lights out. If you've got a reader you could do that first, but people usually don't so it costs them to get it hooked up.

You're the lucky one to have had a voltmeter when you were a lad - I just had a couple of bits of wire and a light bulb :)

As it happens, I've had the 3 Amigos twice on my Freelander and both times the main modulator has been goosed. Doesn't seam to happen to others, just me!
 
I didn't and don't disagree with you Lenny - sort the brake lights out first then put it on a code reader if that doesn't knock the lights out. If you've got a reader you could do that first, but people usually don't so it costs them to get it hooked up.

You're the lucky one to have had a voltmeter when you were a lad - I just had a couple of bits of wire and a light bulb :)

As it happens, I've had the 3 Amigos twice on my Freelander and both times the main modulator has been goosed. Doesn't seam to happen to others, just me!

I BUILT my voltmeter out of a 1mA meter, a wooden case, some brass tube and some resistors. :D

Frankly it was probably better than many of the chinese trash boxes you can buy today.

I still favour an analogue meter where you can see the needle flicker compared with a digital that just rolls numbers at you.

You can buy a cheap analogue meter for less than a fiver these days.

Its good enough to track down most car problems with.

Also dont diss the benefit of clear logical thinking, a circuit diagram and a knowledge of electrics.

Or of basic and simple tests.

I used to set up ignition timing entirely by ear eye and test drives. Measuring against the actual spec with a strobe usually showed I was spot on.

On the FL1 at least, the circuit goes battery->big fuse -> little fuse-> switch-> lights. There is no electronics in that path, merely a sensor for whether the brakelights get power or not, which clears the two amigos one supposes.

ABS light is more complex.

The point being here, that no brakelights means stuffed switch 99 times out of 100 and stuffed switch always lights the two amigos.

You can check the switch: the outer two contacts on the three terminal switch should make contact till the plunger is pushed in, which breaks them.

Pushing the plunger in too far against the ratchet merely means the lights never go out!

Depress the pedal, pull the plunger out and let the brake pedal up to reset the plunger to the correct position in that case.

What really want to say is that not everyone has or has access to code readers, and that doesn't mean you can't fix the problem. Random replacement of parts is ultimately successful, even down to replacing the whole car, but is inefficient. One can do better than that.

In general the three amigo scenario seems to involve the ABS system, and having fixed the switch - which has nothing to do with the brakes at all - its merely a pedal senor to lights on device - there remains the issue with abs sensors and here its pretty likely that the problem is something obviously broken on the wheel sensor stiff which is all possible to inspect from underneath.

So wheels off and have a look first. Only if that doesn't resolve the problem should someone who hasn't got a code reader start to think about involving stuff first.

Years ago I was designing a hifi FM radio, At some point a new front end was specified by the customer, and at some future point I re-measured te performance and found it was noisy and it hummed.

The customer insisted on an independent consultant to check my part of the design and see whether I had cocked up. I told him I hadn't, but I hadn't got time right now to prove it to him. He spent a fortnight analysing my design and pronounced it error free. 'I told you it was' 'but you couldn't prove it' 'of course I can' I said, and removed the tuner head and injected the signal in afterwards. No noise, no hum.


The moral is that sometimes there are easier ways that two weeks of calculation or a code reader to zero in on a problem.

(If you are interested the manufacturer - Philips - eventually accepted they had a problem - or two problems with the tuner head. The noise was down to a zener diode stabilising the voltage controlled oscillator. Zeners are very noisy devices until you pop a fat capacitor across them - and the hum was down to the use of a ferrite cored oscillator coil. in close proximity in my design to the mains transformer. They all had to be replaced with brass cored coils).

I am currently chasing a fuel burning heater problem. I suspect my stat is stuck open leading to the FBH coming in when it shouldn't be needed. Now here logic gets me that far, and on an older car I would simply pop the stat housing drop the stat in some hot water with a thermometer and test it. On a TD4 that's a bugger of a job to get to the stat, so its actually cost and time effective to put a code reader in and read the coolant temp.

the pint here being that that is a case where a visit to someone who can code read makes more sense.

But there is no general answer. I had a pegeot to fix once that would stall when hot. and not restart. I phoned up someone who understood the EFI system and he confirmed my suspicion that it was a water temp sensor. After I had spent £70 in a garage who didn't fix it.

Removal of the sensor revealed that it was not doing a damned thing. So a new one was purchased and fixed the lot.

Code readers aren't the answer to every problem, unless you are a total numpty like most garage mechanics seem to be these days.
 
As I sad Lenny, I didn't and don't disagree.

But I absolutely do now!

Taking your circuit analogy of the brake lights - there are only 2 possibilities for the Amigo lights to be lit - an electrical short circuit in the dash - in which case other things will probably be doing silly stuff as well - OR the ABS ECU has turned them on. So the only way you know why the ABS ECU has turned them on is to let it tell you why... ie plug a code reader in. The code reader is not Satan - its not the Devil that you only go to as a last resort! Its a tool, like a spanner or voltmeter.

To tighten a bolt - you could (1) take a sheet of metal, grind it roughly to the size of the bolt, file it to be a perfect fit to the bolt, weld a handle to it and finally pick it up and tighten your bolt. Or (2) You could pick up a spanner and tighten the bolt.

To determine your ABS fault - you could (1) jack a wheel up, extract the sensor, have a good examination of it, stick your fingers down the hole and whilst turning the wheel feel the ring isn't broke whilst turning the wheel, then examine the wire all the way from the sensor back to the ABS ECU, hope the sensor isn't fractured inside.... then move on to the next wheel. Then you can have a look at the modulator and try to determine if the shuttle valves are working - which of course you can't cos you can't see inside it when its self testing. Then you could move on to gravity sensors - if you can find one on your model, then brake pads, then......... Or (2) just plug in a code reader.

Only a "numpty" would would take options (1) above regardless of whether they're a home or garage mechanic.
 
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