200tdi 60ish mph max

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>> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>
> it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.

Really.......****e!

Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
my tomtom...

Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
to do with it..

What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
only want to go up to 60-65.....

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Mark Solesbury <[email protected]> uttered
summat worrerz funny about:
>>> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>>
>> it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
> my tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has
> anything to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems
> to only want to go up to 60-65.....

Is there a stop stopping the throttle opening any further on the pump?

I've heard they used to be tweaked on our works motors during night shifts
by strange men with spanners..... ahem.


Lee D


 
On 22/09/2006 20:27, Lee_D wrote:

>
> Is there a stop stopping the throttle opening any further on the pump?
>
> I've heard they used to be tweaked on our works motors during night shifts
> by strange men with spanners..... ahem.
>
>
> Lee D
>

its got a stop on the pedel, but to be honest, the engine sounds like
its flat out to me.. Could it do more?

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Mark Solesbury wrote:
>>> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>>
>> it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred
> to my tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has
> anything to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but
> seems to only want to go up to 60-65.....

Sounds like a gearing problem mate.

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Mark Solesbury wrote:

>
> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
> >
> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
> my tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
> to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
> only want to go up to 60-65.....

Any idea what the engine revs are when flat out? Does it sound 'busy'
or rather less than you might expect?

Has someone been fiddling with the fuel pump high idle setting? It
might be worth getting someone to check it.

If that side's OK it looks like a lack of power issue (very different
to lack of torque) which could point to air/exhaust or fuel flow
restrictions.

Any dragging brakes? No huge roofrack?

Check the entire air inlet tract from the air cleaner back to the
turbo for blockages and collapsed hose linings. Is the fuel system
clean? Checked all filters/sedimentors?

Non-standard bevel gear and transfer box ratios are also possibilities
but it's unlikely that the speedo would have been changed to
compensate and give you the accuracy that you've confirmed. I'd
consider that as the last resort.
 
On 22/09/2006 20:43, Dougal wrote:
> Mark Solesbury wrote:
>
>>
>> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>> >
>> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>>
>> Really.......****e!
>>
>> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
>> my tomtom...
>>
>> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has
>> anything to do with it..
>>
>> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems
>> to only want to go up to 60-65.....
>
> Any idea what the engine revs are when flat out? Does it sound 'busy' or
> rather less than you might expect?
Ive not a clue what the revs are - Sounds like its flat out though

>
> Has someone been fiddling with the fuel pump high idle setting? It might
> be worth getting someone to check it.

Not to my knowledge - ill get someone to look at it.
>
> If that side's OK it looks like a lack of power issue (very different to
> lack of torque) which could point to air/exhaust or fuel flow restrictions.
It did sit in a ditch for a while a few months ago, but its been like it
since ive had it for a year or so

>
> Any dragging brakes? No huge roofrack?

Brakes are all good, no roof rack or anything like that.
>
> Check the entire air inlet tract from the air cleaner back to the turbo
> for blockages and collapsed hose linings. Is the fuel system clean?
> Checked all filters/sedimentors?

It was services a while ago, 2months? so its got new filters on it...


--
Mark
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Dougal wrote:

> Mark Solesbury wrote:
>
>>
>> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>> >
>> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>>
>> Really.......****e!
>>
>> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
>> my tomtom...
>>
>> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has
>> anything to do with it..
>>
>> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems
>> to only want to go up to 60-65.....
>
>
> Any idea what the engine revs are when flat out? Does it sound 'busy' or
> rather less than you might expect?
>
> Has someone been fiddling with the fuel pump high idle setting? It might
> be worth getting someone to check it.
>
> If that side's OK it looks like a lack of power issue (very different to
> lack of torque) which could point to air/exhaust or fuel flow restrictions.
>
> Any dragging brakes? No huge roofrack?
>
> Check the entire air inlet tract from the air cleaner back to the turbo
> for blockages and collapsed hose linings. Is the fuel system clean?
> Checked all filters/sedimentors?
>
> Non-standard bevel gear and transfer box ratios are also possibilities
> but it's unlikely that the speedo would have been changed to compensate
> and give you the accuracy that you've confirmed. I'd consider that as
> the last resort.

But checking the bevel gear ratio is very easy, the most likely
gearing change and might save you a lot of effort if found to be other
than the 3.54 ratio expected.
 
On 22/09/2006 20:58, Dougal wrote:

> But checking the bevel gear ratio is very easy, the most likely gearing
> change and might save you a lot of effort if found to be other than the
> 3.54 ratio expected.

Can you elaborate on how to check?

--
Mark
90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd

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My 2.5 N/A will do more than 60!

Is the turbo working? - have you got a boost gauge on it?. could the
wastegate be stuck open or something? (happens on the saab turbos
which im used to)

can you turn the injection pump round on a 200tdi to give it a bit
more fuel incase its timing is out? You could get a diesel specialist
to check it out (a diesel specialist not a normal garage)

 
On 22/09/2006 20:23, Mark Solesbury wrote:
>
> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
> >
> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
> my tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
> to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
> only want to go up to 60-65.....
>
Also, forgot to mention, its got a full length intercoolor on it - would
this do anything to it?

--
Mark
90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd

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"Mark Solesbury" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
> >
> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to my
> tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
> to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
> only want to go up to 60-65.....
>
> --
> Mark
> 90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
> 87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd
>
> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules!
> http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox

would you like the workshop TDi200/300 workshop fault finder bulletin to
work through?

Derek


 
On 2006-09-22, Mark Solesbury <[email protected]> wrote:

> Also, forgot to mention, its got a full length intercoolor on it - would
> this do anything to it?

Should give you more wellie, so if everything else is working, can
only be the gearing that's been changed. If the previous owner was
off-roading or towing a lot then perhaps they modified it to suit with
intercooler, lower gearing and matched speedo.

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On 22/09/2006 22:36, Derek wrote:
> "Mark Solesbury" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
>>>> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>>> it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>> Really.......****e!
>>
>> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to my
>> tomtom...
>>
>> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
>> to do with it..
>>
>> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
>> only want to go up to 60-65.....
>>
>> --
>> Mark
>> 90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
>> 87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules!
>> http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox
>
> would you like the workshop TDi200/300 workshop fault finder bulletin to
> work through?
>
> Derek
>
>
Yes please derek - Cant hurt, and will give me something to do this morning.
Thanks,

--
Mark
90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd

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Mark Solesbury wrote:

> On 22/09/2006 20:58, Dougal wrote:
>
>> But checking the bevel gear ratio is very easy, the most likely
>> gearing change and might save you a lot of effort if found to be other
>> than the 3.54 ratio expected.
>
>
> Can you elaborate on how to check?

First the principle involved - if you keep one output of a standard
unlocked differential stationary the other output will rotate at twice
the normal speed for the same input speed.

So, for a 3.54 bevel gear ratio (substitute actual value), 3.54 turns
of the propshaft will normally give one turn at the road wheel. With
one wheel held stationary it will give two turns at the other road
wheel. It also works from the other end so, hold one wheel stationary
and two turns of the free road wheel will turn the propshaft 3.54 times.

Chock the wheels if you are going to use the rear axle as you will
have to release the park brake. Diff lock off and one gearbox in neutral.

Raise one wheel on the chosen axle. Rotate it twice and count the
number of turns of the propshaft. That's your bevel gear ratio.

That'll get you directly to the answer, is quite accurate and requires
no arithmetic. But you could also turn the wheel just once and double
the number of propshaft turns to get the final figure etc..

The other standard ratio is 4.7 but many intermedaite values have been
created in the aftermarket.





 
In message <[email protected]>, Mark Solesbury
<[email protected]> writes
>
>>> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>>
>> it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
>Really.......****e!
>
>Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
>my tomtom...
>
>Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has
>anything to do with it..
>
>What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
>only want to go up to 60-65.....
>


Check for an air restriction, collapsing pipe, clogged air filter,
blocked snorkel ETC

Check you are getting boost

If not look at intercooler hoses and the boost pressure metering pipe
that runs tot he top of the injection pump and to the turbo wastegate
for holes or splits. Also check that the wastegate is not stuck open
(very unlikely)

If boost is OK it could be the very small pin that runs on the cam
inside the pump that is sticking.. Happened on mine and got worse and
worse until in the end the engine would not come off of tickover.

Listen for a ticking noise ( bit like and exhaust blow) could be head
gasket.



--
Marc Draper
 
In message <[email protected]>
Mark Solesbury <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 22/09/2006 20:27, Lee_D wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there a stop stopping the throttle opening any further on the pump?
> >
> > I've heard they used to be tweaked on our works motors during night shifts
> > by strange men with spanners..... ahem.
> >
> >
> > Lee D
> >
>
> its got a stop on the pedel, but to be honest, the engine sounds like
> its flat out to me.. Could it do more?
>

On 235 tyres, I used to get something around 75 out of mine, though
the engine was going some. Don't forget that 90's have different
ratio transfer boxes, so they will always have a lower top speed
than a 110, whetever tyre sizes are fitted (within reason).

Richard
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I had similar problem on my disco, found out that the fuel intake pipe
within the tank was almost completely blocked with crap,thereby stopping the
amiunt of fuel gong through to engine. cleanedit out and now it holds its
own again. B4 it would get to about 65/70 and just not go any more.


Hope it helps

Tony


"Mark Solesbury" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
>
> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
> >
> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to my
> tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
> to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
> only want to go up to 60-65.....
>
> --
> Mark
> 90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
> 87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd
>
> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules!
> http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox


 
In message <[email protected]>
Marc Draper <[email protected]> wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>, Mark Solesbury
> <[email protected]> writes
> >
> >>> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
> >>
> >> it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
> >
> >Really.......****e!
> >
> >Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
> >my tomtom...
> >
> >Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has
> >anything to do with it..
> >
> >What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
> >only want to go up to 60-65.....
> >
>
>
> Check for an air restriction, collapsing pipe, clogged air filter,
> blocked snorkel ETC
>
> Check you are getting boost
>
> If not look at intercooler hoses and the boost pressure metering pipe
> that runs tot he top of the injection pump and to the turbo wastegate
> for holes or splits. Also check that the wastegate is not stuck open
> (very unlikely)
>
> If boost is OK it could be the very small pin that runs on the cam
> inside the pump that is sticking.. Happened on mine and got worse and
> worse until in the end the engine would not come off of tickover.
>
> Listen for a ticking noise ( bit like and exhaust blow) could be head
> gasket.
>
>
>

And don't forget to clean out the intercooler - it's supposed to be
done a 80,000 or so, but is missed out of most service shedules.

Richard
--
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Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On 22/09/2006 20:23, Mark Solesbury wrote:
>
> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
> >
> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>
> Really.......****e!
>
> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to
> my tomtom...
>
> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
> to do with it..
>
> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
> only want to go up to 60-65.....
>

Right - Removed all air piped and filter. is still some oil clinging to
the outside of the pipe that goes from the top of the filter to the
turbo inlet - so ill be off to get a new one of them shortly.

The turbo 'fan' spins ok, and it gets hot after a run so i assume its
working.

There is a pip from the bottom of the turbo to the intercooler i think -
this is very thin and has lots of give in it, ie i can squash it. Is
this normal?

Just been out for another run, and it hit 70 this time - But it was defo
near flat out and was chucking out a fir bit of black ****...



--
Mark
90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd

http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules!
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"Mark Solesbury" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On 22/09/2006 20:23, Mark Solesbury wrote:
>>
>> >> My 200tdi 90 will do 60ish flat out...
>> >
>> > it's shagged, then, or the speedo's up the shoot.
>>
>> Really.......****e!
>>
>> Its got larger tyres (235 85 16) but the speedo is cock on comapred to my
>> tomtom...
>>
>> Its been like it since ive had it, so i dont think the roll has anything
>> to do with it..
>>
>> What do you recons up with it then? It pulls like a train, but seems to
>> only want to go up to 60-65.....
>>
>
> Right - Removed all air piped and filter. is still some oil clinging to
> the outside of the pipe that goes from the top of the filter to the turbo
> inlet - so ill be off to get a new one of them shortly.
>
> The turbo 'fan' spins ok, and it gets hot after a run so i assume its
> working.

easy way to find if its working is to (engine running) squeeze the top pipe
between the intercooler and plenum chamber then open the throttle or get an
assistant to, if its working you will feel the pipe inflate under your
fingers but to get accurate picture you need to put a pressure gauge on and
take her out for a run the procedure is in the WSM

> There is a pip from the bottom of the turbo to the intercooler i think -
> this is very thin and has lots of give in it, ie i can squash it. Is this
> normal?

on the Disco ( I checked the Defender WSM it appears the same) there are
two short flexible pipes with a long metal pipe between you need that
flexiblilty to allow for the rocking of the engine under (and coming off)
load

> Just been out for another run, and it hit 70 this time - But it was defo
> near flat out and was chucking out a fir bit of black ****...

black smoke is usually excess fuel or not enough oxygen have you put on a
new air filter


> Mark
> 90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
> 87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd
>
>

Hope thats useful
Derek


 
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