Freelander 1 2.0 di engine 4th glow plug change

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4th glow plug is behind high pressure fuel pump, and to remove glow plug you must take electric part of pump off.

the Q is - does it change ignition, or something when you remove it, or its just take off put on thing.

2nd Q - can you give your opinion on glow plugs, whitch ones i should go for, whitch ones to avoid . (bosh, denso, ngk, BORGWARNER (beru) , iskra, hidira etc?)
 
Just leave the plug you can't change in place. It'll still start ok. Fun fact, some 4 cylinder diesel engines only had 3 glow plugs anyway.

Brand wise, avoid cheap Chinese imports, so Bosch, NGK, Champion, Delphi, Denso or similar.
 
Nodge68 said:
Just leave the plug you can't change in place. It'll still start ok. Fun fact, some 4 cylinder diesel engines only had 3 glow plugs anyway.

Brand wise, avoid cheap Chinese imports, so Bosch, NGK, Champion, Delphi, Denso or similar.
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yeah, but the Q was not change it or leave it, it was about hi-pressure fueal pumps electrical part removal.

i know thats possible to start engine on 3 glow plugs.

i want all 4 to be good , and i want to understaand what`s the way to go, to remove whole pump and put timing marks and belt back on, or removing electrcl part is easy way to go.
 
jcirulis said:
yeah, but the Q was not change it or leave it, it was about hi-pressure fueal pumps electrical part removal.

i know thats possible to start engine on 3 glow plugs.

i want all 4 to be good , and i want to understaand what`s the way to go, to remove whole pump and put timing marks and belt back on, or removing electrcl part is easy way to go.
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The way to do it is don't. It's simply not worth messing up the injection pump for a glow plug. The early engine only had 3 plugs anyway, so it's absolutely not needed, and definitely not worth messing with.
 
Nodge68 said:
The way to do it is don't. It's simply not worth messing up the injection pump for a glow plug. The early engine only had 3 plugs anyway, so it's absolutely not needed, and definitely not worth messing with.
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its not messing up anything, i want to change that glow plug, and i find out that there is enough space to take that plug out by removing only electrical part of injection pump , and i just want to know does it change something or not.

meybe in your country its enough with 3 plugs, and winters is not so cold, i dont want to take the risk of not storting my car in - 30 degrees.
 
The injection pump is a really delicate component, which can't be disassemble in any way, without expert knowledge, and absolute cleanliness, ideally only at a Bosch service centre.

Sure if are happy to risk damage to the pump for a glow plug, go ahead, but not even LR changed all 4 plugs, as it isn't sensible or needed.

The engine will start on 3 plugs just fine, even in cold climates.
 
Nodge68 said:
The injection pump is a really delicate component, which can't be disassemble in any way, without expert knowledge, and absolute cleanliness, ideally only at a Bosch service centre.

Sure if are happy to risk damage to the pump for a glow plug, go ahead, but not even LR changed all 4 plugs, as it isn't sensible or needed.

The engine will start on 3 plugs just fine, even in cold climates.
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agin, its not about what is everybody doing or not doing

its not risking any thing, if i take pump off completely there is much more work to be done belt, timings, pump itself etc.

i want to know about removing eletcrical part, its screwed on with 4 bolts, there is no rocket science behind that and screwing it off gives enaugh space to work with glow plug - i just want to know does it affects something or it`s just off on thing.
 
jcirulis said:
agin, its not about what is everybody doing or not doing

its not risking any thing, if i take pump off completely there is much more work to be done belt, timings, pump itself etc.

i want to know about removing eletcrical part, its screwed on with 4 bolts, there is no rocket science behind that and screwing it off gives enaugh space to work with glow plug - i just want to know does it affects something or it`s just off on thing.
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I've suggested you don't. :confused:

The part of the pump that is in the way, is part of the governor, assembly and it shouldn't be removed, as it will risk damage to the pump.

It's your pump, you do what you like.
 
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Just had a look on a Rover forum and someone says they bend and cut the connector to get the 4th plug in/out.

They also say that some replacement plugs are a bit longer so you can't do this. They suggest using the best of the 4 that come out to put in the 4th - so if that is the 4th one, you've gone to a load of grief to achieve nothing.

Most people just leave the 4th one. It looks like up to '97 the L Series only had 3 plugs anyway. However, at -30 I can see why you'd want 4.

I would tend to agree with Nodge - just replace the 3. If you have problems starting when it gets cold, then go through the pain of changing the 4th.

I believe you can test the glow plugs in situ. So if the 4th is working (giving the right resistance?), that is definitely the way I'd go.
 
Nodge68 said:
I've suggested you don't, but you seem to have trouble understanding that it's not advisable for a glow plug. :confused:

The part of the pump that is in the way, is part of the governor, and it can't be removed, without risk to the pump.

It's your pump, you do what you like.

I'm not going to waste any more time on someone who clearly isn't going to take sensible advice.
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GrumpyGel said:
Just had a look on a Rover forum and someone says they bend and cut the connector to get the 4th plug in/out.

They also say that some replacement plugs are a bit longer so you can't do this. They suggest using the best of the 4 that come out to put in the 4th - so if that is the 4th one, you've gone to a load of grief to achieve nothing.

Most people just leave the 4th one. It looks like up to '97 the L Series only had 3 plugs anyway. However, at -30 I can see why you'd want 4.

I would tend to agree with Nodge - just replace the 3. If you have problems starting when it gets cold, then go through the pain of changing the 4th.

I believe you can test the glow plugs in situ. So if the 4th is working (giving the right resistance?), that is definitely the way I'd go.
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thanks for searching in forums just to answer my Q.

bending aand cuting did not come in my mind, i can do some experiments with old glow plugs just to see if its possible.

all my glow plugs have allready been change @ some point, they all are champion glow plugs, did not finf info about the original manufacturer but im sure that champion is not the one.

as i understood taking off pump is not such as big deal if you do it corectly, so im thinking to go for that.
 
jcirulis said:
thanks for searching in forums just to answer my Q.

bending aand cuting did not come in my mind, i can do some experiments with old glow plugs just to see if its possible.

all my glow plugs have allready been change @ some point, they all are champion glow plugs, did not finf info about the original manufacturer but im sure that champion is not the one.

as i understood taking off pump is not such as big deal if you do it corectly, so im thinking to go for that.
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I've never removed the pump, but the important thing is to make sure the timing and pump are locked before removing - and make sure the pins don't fall out!
 
If you really must do it then pump off would be my way to do it, good time to change the often neglected belt
 
jcirulis said:
as i understood taking off pump is not such as big deal if you do it corectly, so im thinking to go for that
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If you really must change that plug, then the pump needs to be locked correctly, once the timing marks are aligned.
Do the belt as suggested too.

However I'd be testing that plug before spending 4 hours removing the pump, if it turns out to be unnecessary.
 
Nodge68 said:
If you really must change that plug, then the pump needs to be locked correctly, once the timing marks are aligned.
Do the belt as suggested too.

However I'd be testing that plug before spending 4 hours removing the pump, if it turns out to be unnecessary.
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yeah i will test it one more time.

and yeah - i have al info from here -
 
GrumpyGel said:
Love that video.

I just wish that when I need to do anything on the engine it would be in that stand, clean, all the bolts pre-loosened and the correct socket just appeared in my hand :D
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yeah , if working conditons was like that - paradise

video has all info that owner needs for L series engine, its just perfect.
 
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