12 seat 110 DVLA ? D1 ?

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Hirsty's

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• Jul 4, 2006

• #1

Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on my
license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category ) ?
Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the DVLA
site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which involves
another medical ?
Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten to
add, just the hastle )

John H

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of wisdom to listen"

 

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Srtgray

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• Jul 4, 2006

• #2

Hirsty's wrote:
> Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on my
> license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category ) ?
> Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the DVLA
> site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which involves
> another medical ?
> Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten to
> add, just the hastle )
>
> John H
>

You should be fine - even for school

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/drvmbus.htm

tuart

 

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Hirsty's

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• Jul 4, 2006

• #3

"Srtgray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hirsty's wrote:
> > Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on
my
> > license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category )
?
> > Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the
DVLA
> > site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which
involves
> > another medical ?
> > Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten
to
> > add, just the hastle )
> >
> > John H
> >
>
> You should be fine - even for school
>
> http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/drvmbus.htm
>
> tuart

I did check with DVLA as well after posting and they assured me no proble;
also when and if I renew my license it will automatically include D1 and no
medical hassle. However jobsworth at workplace say otherwise. Gonna cause a
hell of a problem in schools as very few have the D1 !

JoH

 

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Lee_D

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• Jul 4, 2006

• #4

"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I did check with DVLA as well after posting and they assured me no proble;
> also when and if I renew my license it will automatically include D1 and
> no
> medical hassle. However jobsworth at workplace say otherwise. Gonna cause
> a
> hell of a problem in schools as very few have the D1 !
>
> JoH

Just slide the page with the facts under the nose of Jobsworth, Jobsworth
can ammend their crib sheet accordingly for future Jobsworthyness.

Lee

 

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Srtgray

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• Jul 4, 2006

• #5

Hirsty's wrote:
> "Srtgray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hirsty's wrote:
>>
>>>Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on
>
> my
>
>>>license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category )
>
> ?
>
>>>Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the
>
> DVLA
>
>>>site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which
>
> involves
>
>>>another medical ?
>>>Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten
>
> to
>
>>>add, just the hastle )
>>>
>>>John H
>>>
>>
>>You should be fine - even for school
>>
>>http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/drvmbus.htm
>>
>>tuart
>
>
> I did check with DVLA as well after posting and they assured me no proble;
> also when and if I renew my license it will automatically include D1 and no
> medical hassle. However jobsworth at workplace say otherwise. Gonna cause a
> hell of a problem in schools as very few have the D1 !
>
> JoH
>
>
All I had to do for my school was do a test of competence, which was run
by a chap from the loacl bus company. He was very complimentary - when
I mentioned that I drove Land Rovers, he commented that most of the good
minibus drivers he sees also drive them.

Mind you, my licence (from 1989) has D1 and D1+E (trailer) on it.

Stuart

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Jul 5, 2006

• #6

On or around Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:07:27 +0200, Srtgray
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hirsty's wrote:
>> Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on my
>> license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category ) ?
>> Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the DVLA
>> site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which involves
>> another medical ?
>> Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten to
>> add, just the hastle )

You can drive up to 16 passengers on a class "D1 category restriction 1"
which is what everyone who passed before 1/1/97 has, PROVIDED it's not for
hire and reward. Hire and reward has quite a broad definition, though, but
I doubt it includes volunteers driving the school bus - unless you get paid
for the said driving.

full D1 is PSV/PCV territory, both bus and driver. If the bus is on a class
IV MOT and not PSV tested, then it's not legit for hire and reward anyway...
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Richard Brookman

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• Jul 6, 2006

• #7

Austin Shackles wrote:

|| You can drive up to 16 passengers on a class "D1 category
|| restriction 1" which is what everyone who passed before 1/1/97 has,
|| PROVIDED it's not for hire and reward. Hire and reward has quite a
|| broad definition, though, but I doubt it includes volunteers driving
|| the school bus - unless you get paid for the said driving.

The "hire and reward" isn't for the driver, it's for the bus itself AIUI.
If the passengers pay for the trip, then it's H&R, regardless of whether the
driver is paid or not.

I used to drive a 16-seater Transit minibus and a 53-seater coach for my
school on a car licence in the 70s/80s. The dodge was that pupils did not
pay for the trips - instead they made a "voluntary" contribution to school
fund, which then paid for the diesel. I wasn't paid, except in my capacity
as a teacher in the school. That was well dodgy even then - I imagine that
loophole (if such it was) has been closed by now.

BTW, I *loved* driving the coach.

--
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Martyn H

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• Jul 6, 2006

• #8

Richard Brookman wrote:
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> || You can drive up to 16 passengers on a class "D1 category
> || restriction 1" which is what everyone who passed before 1/1/97 has,
> || PROVIDED it's not for hire and reward. Hire and reward has quite a
> || broad definition, though, but I doubt it includes volunteers driving
> || the school bus - unless you get paid for the said driving.
>
> The "hire and reward" isn't for the driver, it's for the bus itself AIUI.
> If the passengers pay for the trip, then it's H&R, regardless of whether the
> driver is paid or not.
>
sadly it sdoes refer to the driver, which is problem where scholl staff
drive minibuses, but not volunteers from the community / paretns etc

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Jul 7, 2006

• #9

On or around 6 Jul 2006 15:42:45 -0700, "Martyn H"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Richard Brookman wrote:
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>> || You can drive up to 16 passengers on a class "D1 category
>> || restriction 1" which is what everyone who passed before 1/1/97 has,
>> || PROVIDED it's not for hire and reward. Hire and reward has quite a
>> || broad definition, though, but I doubt it includes volunteers driving
>> || the school bus - unless you get paid for the said driving.
>>
>> The "hire and reward" isn't for the driver, it's for the bus itself AIUI.
>> If the passengers pay for the trip, then it's H&R, regardless of whether the
>> driver is paid or not.
>>
>sadly it sdoes refer to the driver, which is problem where scholl staff
>drive minibuses, but not volunteers from the community / paretns etc

it's easy to not make a profit for the vehicle, you just cover the diesel
and so forth. But there's the personal bit about the driver, too - if you
get paid as a teacher that day then the law could argue that you're being
paid to drive the bus.

I suppose you could take a day's unpaid leave. But who wants to do that?
--
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Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)

 

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Hirsty's

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• Jul 7, 2006

• #10

"Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on my
> license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category ) ?
> Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the DVLA
> site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which
involves
> another medical ?
> Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten
to
> add, just the hastle )
>


Just been informed by school that the old A E group is OK so long as I let
them photocopy the evidence . Hmm, seems like another problem I had of the
Tacho needed in EU for 12 seats. What they got against LR ?

Ta for the info

 

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Martyn H

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• Jul 7, 2006

• #11

Hirsty's wrote:
> "Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on my
> > license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category ) ?
> > Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the DVLA
> > site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which
> involves
> > another medical ?
> > Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten
> to
> > add, just the hastle )
> >
>
>
> Just been informed by school that the old A E group is OK so long as I let
> them photocopy the evidence . Hmm, seems like another problem I had of the
> Tacho needed in EU for 12 seats. What they got against LR ?
>
> Ta for the info

12 seats was an Old Uk car tax /VAT dodge - making the 109" SW a
minibus rather than a car

mosr sensible places had 9 or 10 seat SWs 2 or 3 + 3 + 4 (2 each side)

 

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beamendsltd

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• Jul 8, 2006

• #12

In message <[email protected]>
"Martyn H" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Hirsty's wrote:
> > "Hirsty's" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Have just been told by school I cannot drive minibus as I have no D1 on my
> > > license. However I passed in 1975 so could drive it ( old A E category ) ?
> > > Not really bothered re school bus, but it struck me after seeing the DVLA
> > > site that I may need to get a D1 on any renewed license I get which
> > involves
> > > another medical ?
> > > Anyone know the situation regards this. ( medical is no problem I hasten
> > to
> > > add, just the hastle )
> > >
> >
> >
> > Just been informed by school that the old A E group is OK so long as I let
> > them photocopy the evidence . Hmm, seems like another problem I had of the
> > Tacho needed in EU for 12 seats. What they got against LR ?
> >
> > Ta for the info
>
> 12 seats was an Old Uk car tax /VAT dodge - making the 109" SW a
> minibus rather than a car
>
> mosr sensible places had 9 or 10 seat SWs 2 or 3 + 3 + 4 (2 each side)
>

Plenty of UK 110's are actually 10 Seaters in reality.

Richard
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