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Austin Shackles · Jan 4, 2005

On or around Tue, 4 Jan 2005 21:16:20 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2005-01-04, Paul Everett <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I've always quite fancied a Tatra 813. 17-and-a-bit litres of V12 diesel
>> power. 20 forward and four reverse gears. 8 wheel drive.
>
>How about an Escaro, 8x8 based on Defender axles, engine and
>drivetrain, much smaller but still a juicy looking vehicle! Get
>spares from your local Landy dealer ;-)

nobugger's making 'em ATM AFAICS.

some lot in America made summat on the same lines, but presumably by using
american parts.

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from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.

Dougal · Jan 4, 2005

>>How about an Escaro, 8x8 based on Defender axles, engine and
>>drivetrain, much smaller but still a juicy looking vehicle! Get
>>spares from your local Landy dealer ;-)
>
>
> nobugger's making 'em ATM AFAICS.
>
> some lot in America made summat on the same lines, but presumably by using
> american parts.

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/SS300.html
http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/Esarco.html

Austin Shackles · Jan 5, 2005

On or around Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:39:40 +0000, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>>>How about an Escaro, 8x8 based on Defender axles, engine and
>>>drivetrain, much smaller but still a juicy looking vehicle! Get
>>>spares from your local Landy dealer ;-)
>>
>>
>> nobugger's making 'em ATM AFAICS.
>>
>> some lot in America made summat on the same lines, but presumably by using
>> american parts.
>
>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/SS300.html
>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/Esarco.html

yeah, I found those pages. Stewart & Stevenson don't seem to be making the
SS300 any more. There's limited evidence that someone was planning to make
more of 'em, but no sign of actual production.

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Boswell's "Johnson".

Alex · Jan 5, 2005

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 11:50:28 +0000, Paul Everett
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Lee_D wrote:
>
>> Surely an 8x8 man if you really had LARGE amounts of money

>
>I've always quite fancied a Tatra 813. 17-and-a-bit litres of V12 diesel
>power. 20 forward and four reverse gears. 8 wheel drive.
>*cough*5mpg*cough*. Built in engine driven 20ton winch that will winch
>forwards or backwards.
>

20 forward and 5 reverse? My SIIa has 16 forward and 4 reverse, isn't
that enough?

Alex

Alex · Jan 5, 2005

On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:39:40 +0000, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>>>How about an Escaro, 8x8 based on Defender axles, engine and
>>>drivetrain, much smaller but still a juicy looking vehicle! Get
>>>spares from your local Landy dealer ;-)
>>
>>
>> nobugger's making 'em ATM AFAICS.
>>
>> some lot in America made summat on the same lines, but presumably by using
>> american parts.
>
>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/SS300.html
>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/Esarco.html
>

The landrover based one is here.

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Supacat/HUGO.html

Somewhere I've got scans of the brochure/leaflet on this, detailing
the axle/transmission layout and other things

Alex

D.P.Round · Jan 6, 2005

In article <[email protected]>, Alex <[email protected]> writes:
>On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 23:39:40 +0000, Dougal
><DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>>How about an Escaro, 8x8 based on Defender axles, engine and
>>>>drivetrain, much smaller but still a juicy looking vehicle! Get
>>>>spares from your local Landy dealer ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> nobugger's making 'em ATM AFAICS.
>>>
>>> some lot in America made summat on the same lines, but presumably by using
>>> american parts.
>>
>>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/SS300.html
>>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/SS/Esarco.html
>>
>
>The landrover based one is here.
>
>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Supacat/HUGO.html
>
>Somewhere I've got scans of the brochure/leaflet on this, detailing
>the axle/transmission layout and other things
>
>Alex

I had one! They are facinating vehicles. I don't think I would recommed
one for long distance overland work. Right now Bedford TMs are very cheap
and I would buy one of those for an overland motorhome. When I built mine
Unimogs were cheaper and anyway get away without HGV so that is the
way I went. You need reliability for overland trips and IMHO the best
way to get that is to run a standard vehicle well within its design
weight. You can get a Bedford TM for less than a 101! That would make
an easy choice for me!

David

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Alex · Jan 6, 2005

>>
>>The landrover based one is here.
>>
>>http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/ecars/Supacat/HUGO.html
>>
>>Somewhere I've got scans of the brochure/leaflet on this, detailing
>>the axle/transmission layout and other things
>>
>
>I had one! They are facinating vehicles. I don't think I would recommed
>one for long distance overland work. Right now Bedford TMs are very cheap
>and I would buy one of those for an overland motorhome. When I built mine
>Unimogs were cheaper and anyway get away without HGV so that is the
>way I went. You need reliability for overland trips and IMHO the best
>way to get that is to run a standard vehicle well within its design
>weight. You can get a Bedford TM for less than a 101! That would make
>an easy choice for me!

The only thing that worries me about that is the two-axle steering,
surely with full lock on front and rear it would spin around
practically on it's centre? I can't imagine how it would fair at
higher speeds, especially on the motorway.

Alex

Steve Taylor · Jan 7, 2005

Alex wrote:

> The only thing that worries me about that is the two-axle steering,
> surely with full lock on front and rear it would spin around
> practically on it's centre? I can't imagine how it would fair at
> higher speeds, especially on the motorway.

Don't they govern the steering range with speed ?

Steve

Austin Shackles · Jan 7, 2005

On or around Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:21:00 +0000, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Alex wrote:
>
>> The only thing that worries me about that is the two-axle steering,
>> surely with full lock on front and rear it would spin around
>> practically on it's centre? I can't imagine how it would fair at
>> higher speeds, especially on the motorway.
>
>Don't they govern the steering range with speed ?

I doubt it'd be a major problem. You have 2 axles which don't steer at all,
after all, and at motorway speeds you're only apply very slight steering
input. I suppose it might be possible for the whole thing to oscillate
around the vertical axis, but I doubt it would.

If I ever get to build the 6-wheeler with rear steering, I'll report on how
it goes

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"For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals. Then
something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

Alex · Jan 7, 2005

>>
>>> The only thing that worries me about that is the two-axle steering,
>>> surely with full lock on front and rear it would spin around
>>> practically on it's centre? I can't imagine how it would fair at
>>> higher speeds, especially on the motorway.
>>
>>Don't they govern the steering range with speed ?
>
>I doubt it'd be a major problem. You have 2 axles which don't steer at all,
>after all, and at motorway speeds you're only apply very slight steering
>input. I suppose it might be possible for the whole thing to oscillate
>around the vertical axis, but I doubt it would.
>
>If I ever get to build the 6-wheeler with rear steering, I'll report on how
>it goes

I'm still contemplating wether to make my 6-wheeler rear steer, given
it's short wheelbase. I'm having trouble finding out how to apply the
ackerman principle to a rear-steering axle, and also how to work out
the desired front-rear ratio. The first doesn't worry me so much, and
the second is gonna require some long-forgotten trig skills. Have to
re-learn them for the summer, as I'm determined to get this project
rolling this year.

I'm thinking I might fit a steering axle at the rear and lock it
dead-ahead for the time being, see how much tyre scrub I get.

I've nailed the 6wd problem, thanks to a judicious purchase on Ebay
just before Xmas.

Alex

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