101 heater vent control cable - any LR part alternative?

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This is a question for any LR parts experts or 101 owners.

The heater vent control cable on my 101 is broken. It is like a choke
cable, and about 2 foot long with about an inch of movement (as far as
i can tell) and it should presumably lock in position where you want
it.

The 101 parts guy has told that they are NLA.

Are there any other landrover parts from a S3, defender or range rover
that will do the same job that i could fit as a substitute? Or even
the same part used elsewhere?
It has a plastic knob on like the series 3 wiper switch.

I guess that a universal choke cable would do the job too.. but before
i end up with lot of identical choke cables in my dash (i already have
a choke and am going to replace my broken hand throttle cable with
another!) i wondered if the proper part was available.

Secondly - I know place that fixes bike brake/acc cables so i guess i
could take it there and get them to remake it, but is it worth it? i
presume a choke cable is fairly cheap? (Richard...)
 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:35:12 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>i presume a choke cable is fairly cheap? (Richard...)

Right then Richard. I've peroused your site.

whats the difference between all those choke cables?

Ignoring the genuine expensive ones. is the only difference between V8
and 2.5/2.25 choke cables the length of it?
any chance of some rough measurements? or do you know if one will fit
a 101 hand throttle?

 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:38:45 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>i presume a choke cable is fairly cheap? (Richard...)
>
>Right then Richard. I've peroused your site.
>
>whats the difference between all those choke cables?
>
>Ignoring the genuine expensive ones. is the only difference between V8
>and 2.5/2.25 choke cables the length of it?
>any chance of some rough measurements? or do you know if one will fit
>a 101 hand throttle?

and to reply to my own thread again.. Richard (Im not trying to be
cheeky here!) - can you get universal chokes in for the same sort of
price as VWP (£5odd+VAT)? and if not then why not? ;)
I'd have thought theyd sell well to most series owners who arnt fussed
about originality?
 
In message <[email protected]>
Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:38:45 +0100, Tom Woods
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>i presume a choke cable is fairly cheap? (Richard...)
> >
> >Right then Richard. I've peroused your site.
> >
> >whats the difference between all those choke cables?
> >
> >Ignoring the genuine expensive ones. is the only difference between V8
> >and 2.5/2.25 choke cables the length of it?
> >any chance of some rough measurements? or do you know if one will fit
> >a 101 hand throttle?
>
> and to reply to my own thread again.. Richard (Im not trying to be
> cheeky here!) - can you get universal chokes in for the same sort of
> price as VWP (£5odd+VAT)? and if not then why not? ;)
> I'd have thought theyd sell well to most series owners who arnt fussed
> about originality?

It's mostly down to whats on the end! Do you just need a plain end?
If so a 2¼ Diesel stop cable may do the job - it does a 4 inch or so
metal sleeve to clamp to at the knob end. It would be easiest if you
send a photo and/or measure the old one then I'll know what I'm looking
for.

"Universal" ones are fine for Escorts etc, but most people want
something that "just fits" - I had a Freelander tow bar returned
the other day because it had a sticker with the OEM's name on
it rather than Land Rover, even though it was identical and clearly
sold as an after-market part. There nowt so queer as folk....

Richard

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:44:05 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It's mostly down to whats on the end! Do you just need a plain end?
>If so a 2¼ Diesel stop cable may do the job - it does a 4 inch or so
>metal sleeve to clamp to at the knob end. It would be easiest if you
>send a photo and/or measure the old one then I'll know what I'm looking
>for.

it doesnt really matter what is on the end!. Theres plenty of space on
the front and back to fit it.
They mount through the flat horizontal bit of metal that is infront of
my engine cover.

Ill get some proper measurements and pictures later.

>"Universal" ones are fine for Escorts etc, but most people want
>something that "just fits" - I had a Freelander tow bar returned
>the other day because it had a sticker with the OEM's name on
>it rather than Land Rover, even though it was identical and clearly
>sold as an after-market part. There nowt so queer as folk....

I'm generally prepared to make things fit if it means it costs less!
;) especially with my landies, niether of which are very 'original'
anymore!

 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> I'm generally prepared to make things fit if it means it costs less!
> ;) especially with my landies, niether of which are very 'original'
> anymore!

Universal choke cables... had three from different suppliers. They are the
DEVILS SPAWN!

Avoid them and fit something genuine.

Thats my 2p worth.

That bloke up King street has packed in cables, I asked at Folley MC's and
they said he's no longer doing them / moved. They have his remaining bits
and do the odd cable. They quoted £25 for a 101 Accelerator cable if thats
anything to go by.

Lee D


 

Lee_D wrote:

> Universal choke cables... had three from different suppliers. They are the
> DEVILS SPAWN!
>
> Avoid them and fit something genuine.
>
> Thats my 2p worth.

Agreed, they are all rubbish. Especially for something like V8 carbs
with their multiple linkages only genuine ones are worth looking at,
universal ones die after no time, genuine ones last many years.....

4x the price perhaps but you do the job once, not 4 times a year.

Regards

William MacLeod

 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:54:36 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:44:05 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's mostly down to whats on the end! Do you just need a plain end?
>> If so a 2¼ Diesel stop cable may do the job - it does a 4 inch or so
>> metal sleeve to clamp to at the knob end. It would be easiest if you
>> send a photo and/or measure the old one then I'll know what I'm looking
>> for.
>
> it doesnt really matter what is on the end!. Theres plenty of space on
> the front and back to fit it.
> They mount through the flat horizontal bit of metal that is infront of
> my engine cover.
>
> Ill get some proper measurements and pictures later.
>
>> "Universal" ones are fine for Escorts etc, but most people want
>> something that "just fits" - I had a Freelander tow bar returned
>> the other day because it had a sticker with the OEM's name on
>> it rather than Land Rover, even though it was identical and clearly
>> sold as an after-market part. There nowt so queer as folk....
>
> I'm generally prepared to make things fit if it means it costs less!
> ;) especially with my landies, niether of which are very 'original'
> anymore!

If I read this right, you are describing a bowden cable?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowden_cable

I haven't looked for years, but I'm sure it was possible to buy kits for
making up your own to any length, with any fittings you choose.

--
William Tasso

110 V8
 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:02:17 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>If I read this right, you are describing a bowden cable?

I think I could be if that is what a choke cable generally is!

>I haven't looked for years, but I'm sure it was possible to buy kits for
>making up your own to any length, with any fittings you choose.

I know that i can shorten them myself....

Lee and Willie - points taken about universal ones! I'll go for
britpart ones atleast then. I can go hassle Richard if they break
really quickly then! ;)

Since the ones im looking at from beamends are likely to cost 20-30
for the pair this probably means it isnt worth buying a kit which will
probably cost more that that!

Also Lee - My 101 accelerator cable looks like it is new! (it doesnt
have any green paint on and wasnt routed very well until I P clipped
it in earlier!). - thats one job i wont have to do! :)


Also - the choke cable broke on my car today. must be something in the
air! Now i have to go and fix my manifold air leak tommorrow so i can
start it without the choke properly!
 
Tom Woods wrote:
>
> Also Lee - My 101 accelerator cable looks like it is new! (it doesnt
> have any green paint on and wasnt routed very well until I P clipped
> it in earlier!). - thats one job i wont have to do! :)

The pedal end clevis slid off my "genuine" cable after less than two
years use.

Steve
 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:57:11 +0100, Steve
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>> Also Lee - My 101 accelerator cable looks like it is new! (it doesnt
>> have any green paint on and wasnt routed very well until I P clipped
>> it in earlier!). - thats one job i wont have to do! :)
>
>The pedal end clevis slid off my "genuine" cable after less than two
>years use.

I'm not listening! :p

 
On or around Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:35:12 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>This is a question for any LR parts experts or 101 owners.
>
>The heater vent control cable on my 101 is broken. It is like a choke
>cable, and about 2 foot long with about an inch of movement (as far as
>i can tell) and it should presumably lock in position where you want
>it.
>
>The 101 parts guy has told that they are NLA.
>

wot are the ends like, and is it a cable (flexible, pull-only and spring
return) or a wire (single strand, rigid, push-pull).

If it's a cable the chances are I can make one from bike cable parts.
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:44:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>wot are the ends like, and is it a cable (flexible, pull-only and spring
>return) or a wire (single strand, rigid, push-pull).
>
>If it's a cable the chances are I can make one from bike cable parts.

Heater vent control cable

http://www.zen68482.zen.co.uk/101/cables/P101000_Small.JPG

~80cm long

As far as i can tell should stop in any position you want (or should
it just be at either end 101 owners?). moves a flap above the heater
fan motor that directs the air to the screen vents or the cab.
currently siezed solid.

has a plastic knob on the top at the moment but im not fussed how it
ends up. Seems to need 1-1.5 inches of movement (judging from the arm
on the motor)

hand throttle cable:
http://www.zen68482.zen.co.uk/101/cables/P1010002_Small.JPG

~160cm long

Funny curved bit seems like it sits on a little adjustable height
stool that is next to it in the truck to keep it in the correct
position.
I think the stool is broken too as it doesnt seem to like adjusting
and just appears to spin.
I'd be happy putting a normal choke cable on this since its very rare
im ever going to use the handthrottle anyhow! (pretty much just for
jump starting!)

Currently siezed up and the metal slieve is broken so it falls apart
just under that nut that holds it in the hole
 
On or around Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:00:46 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:44:25 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>wot are the ends like, and is it a cable (flexible, pull-only and spring
>>return) or a wire (single strand, rigid, push-pull).
>>
>>If it's a cable the chances are I can make one from bike cable parts.
>
>Heater vent control cable
>
>http://www.zen68482.zen.co.uk/101/cables/P101000_Small.JPG
>
>~80cm long
>
>As far as i can tell should stop in any position you want (or should
>it just be at either end 101 owners?). moves a flap above the heater
>fan motor that directs the air to the screen vents or the cab.
>currently siezed solid.
>
>has a plastic knob on the top at the moment but im not fussed how it
>ends up. Seems to need 1-1.5 inches of movement (judging from the arm
>on the motor)

they're mostly a solid wire on that sort of thing. it's the inner part of
the able that's the relevant bit, really.

>hand throttle cable:
>http://www.zen68482.zen.co.uk/101/cables/P1010002_Small.JPG
>
>~160cm long
>
>Funny curved bit seems like it sits on a little adjustable height
>stool that is next to it in the truck to keep it in the correct
>position.
>I think the stool is broken too as it doesnt seem to like adjusting
>and just appears to spin.
>I'd be happy putting a normal choke cable on this since its very rare
>im ever going to use the handthrottle anyhow! (pretty much just for
>jump starting!)
>
>Currently siezed up and the metal slieve is broken so it falls apart
>just under that nut that holds it in the hole

that looks suitably weird. I've often thought of adapting a friction type
derailleur control lever as a hand throttle; but like you, I never really
need one. handy if you've got an engine-driven winch, but apart from
that...
--
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Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
>
>that looks suitably weird. I've often thought of adapting a friction type
>derailleur control lever as a hand throttle; but like you, I never really
>need one. handy if you've got an engine-driven winch, but apart from
>that...

Is that the technical name for 'a funny curvy hand throttle with a
stool type thing next to it' then? :)

I can see that it gives a fair bit of exact control over the engine
speed but a simple one would have done the job just as well wouldnt
it?

If my 101 ever gets a winch then it will most likely be an electrical
one. The only time i've ever used the hand throttle in a landy myself
is for jump starting other vehicles without having an assistant to rev
it for you!
I do use the choke in my car (which is in effect a hand throttle on a
carbed LPG vehicle isnt it?) to keep my car ticking over faster when
im sat in queue's as the water pump seems to do a much better job of
cooling at 1500 rpm than normal idle speed!. I suppose the same could
be done on the 101 too.
 
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:02:17 +0100, William Tasso wrote:

> If I read this right, you are describing a bowden cable?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowden_cable

Hum, I thought a bowden cable was one that transmited rotational energy
from one end to the other not push/pull... However a google produces
loads of push/pull type answers. So what is the name of a cable that
transmits rotation?

Getting back to the heater cable, the ones I've seen operating similar
dampers on various cars have all been solid cored and use the total
friction of the system to hold the damper in the set place. Some of that
frisction might be provided by the bearings or rubbing strips on the
operating lever.

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On or around Sun, 18 Jun 2006 00:05:46 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:02:17 +0100, William Tasso wrote:
>
>> If I read this right, you are describing a bowden cable?
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowden_cable
>
>Hum, I thought a bowden cable was one that transmited rotational energy
>from one end to the other not push/pull... However a google produces
>loads of push/pull type answers. So what is the name of a cable that
>transmits rotation?

speedo drive :)

>Getting back to the heater cable, the ones I've seen operating similar
>dampers on various cars have all been solid cored and use the total
>friction of the system to hold the damper in the set place. Some of that
>frisction might be provided by the bearings or rubbing strips on the
>operating lever.

yeah, most of that type of appliation seem to be solid cores. a
hand-throttle one is almost certainly a cable though.
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something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)
 
On or around Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:21:12 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>>that looks suitably weird. I've often thought of adapting a friction type
>>derailleur control lever as a hand throttle; but like you, I never really
>>need one. handy if you've got an engine-driven winch, but apart from
>>that...
>
>Is that the technical name for 'a funny curvy hand throttle with a
>stool type thing next to it' then? :)

hehe. no, it's the technical name for one kind of bicycle gear lever.
Mostly only old fogeys have 'em now, modern things are generally clicky
indexed ones.

>I can see that it gives a fair bit of exact control over the engine
>speed but a simple one would have done the job just as well wouldnt
>it?
>
>If my 101 ever gets a winch then it will most likely be an electrical
>one. The only time i've ever used the hand throttle in a landy myself
>is for jump starting other vehicles without having an assistant to rev
>it for you!

yeah, 's good for that. can do that easily on the 300 TDi as the "throttle"
cable has a hand-adjustable stop. it'd be a bastard on the fly-by-wire
minibus though, since the throttle pots are on the pedal unit, not under the
bonnet. Mind, it ought to be possible to do it electrically on them - fake
an "engine cold" signal and it goes into fast-idle mode.

--
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And miles to go before I sleep."
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Tom Woods wrote:
>>that looks suitably weird. I've often thought of adapting a friction type
>>derailleur control lever as a hand throttle; but like you, I never really
>>need one. handy if you've got an engine-driven winch, but apart from
>>that...
>
>
> Is that the technical name for 'a funny curvy hand throttle with a
> stool type thing next to it' then? :)
>
> I can see that it gives a fair bit of exact control over the engine
> speed but a simple one would have done the job just as well wouldnt
> it?
>
> If my 101 ever gets a winch then it will most likely be an electrical
> one. The only time i've ever used the hand throttle in a landy myself
> is for jump starting other vehicles without having an assistant to rev
> it for you!
> I do use the choke in my car (which is in effect a hand throttle on a
> carbed LPG vehicle isnt it?) to keep my car ticking over faster when
> im sat in queue's as the water pump seems to do a much better job of
> cooling at 1500 rpm than normal idle speed!. I suppose the same could
> be done on the 101 too.

Ex-military friend of mine (Richard "Bodger" MacDougall-Smith of
Bristol) told me that the first time he drove a 101 he didn't know what
the wheely bit was for, so wound it all the way. Nothing happened, so
he thought it did nothing - till he took his foot off the accelerator
and didn't slow down! Brown shreddies time...


Stuart
 
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