Towing

[Corrie]

Hi I have just joined , I would like to know , because I can't find the rule in the legislation on brakes for trailers that everyone seems to quote. I hope someone knows where it is because I can't find it . Pulling over 3.5 tonnes everyone says coupled brakes , but I can't find that in the legislation. I passed my test long before 1997 , so I can pull 8.25 tonne max trailer . So my 90 train weight 5900kg . So can some kind person show me where this coupled brakes is in the legislation.

Many thanks

 

[Kev12]

Over 750kg needs brakes and a 90 max tow weight is 3500kg. Your 8.25 figure is a 7.5 tonner plus a 750kg trailer. Over 3500 trsiler weight you're into C+ class licences

 

[Kev12]

To make it clearer, coupled brakes are on HGVs rather than normal trailer brakes which are the over run type

 

[Beneagles]

Over 750kg needs brakes and a 90 max tow weight is 3500kg. Your 8.25 figure is a 7.5 tonner plus a 750kg trailer. Over 3500 trsiler weight you're into C+ class licences

+1

 

[bluedog333]

What 90 do you have? I.e which engine? In my view a 90 is not the right vehicle for towing 3.5t, let alone attempting to go above that weight.

 

[Corrie]

So know one knows. Since I passed my test 1992 I am not restricted to 3.5 tonnes on b+e. That's fact not my feeling. A 90 train weight is 5.9 tonnes ie 90+trailer+load. I was just wondering , people seem to quote coupled brakes , but I can't find that in the legislation. I was hoping someone one here knew

 

[Turboman]

So know one knows. Since I passed my test 1992 I am not restricted to 3.5 tonnes on b+e. That's fact not my feeling. A 90 train weight is 5.9 tonnes ie 90+trailer+load. I was just wondering , people seem to quote coupled brakes , but I can't find that in the legislation. I was hoping someone one here knew

I think you will struggle to find a coupled brake set up at a price that makes it worthwhile.
Towing 3.5 tonnes on over run braked trailer with a 90 is an acquired taste. I have done it many times, mostly on rural roads, and going very slow with cattle in the trailer, but also a bit on the open road.
Quite safe, so long as everything is set up perfectly, but not very comfortable, a 90 is a little bit short to be really steady on the open road.
If you really need to carry that sort of loads, it might be easier to hire a truck, which you can also drive on your licence. 7.5 tonne flatbed can carry quite a lot.

 

[P38-DFX]

You'd be very brave to want to tow 3.5t with a 90. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

 

[Corrie]

Yes thats my point, I don't want a coupled brake set up. I could use a tractor if I wanted (friends) but it's just sometimes I am moving dirt and most of the time the load will be under 3.5 tonnes, but sometimes when I am tipping it the pump groaning a bit and I am thinking that load when it comes off looks like a 3 tonne pile. Just age I think double checking everything. A 90 will sit fine with 3.5 tonne if your used to pulling trailers. I think this coupled brakes is someone's opition not law cause I can't find it in the legislation anywhere. Yes the young guys are right about the thinking it 7.5 tonne stuff but back then and now cat b vehicle if train weight is capable can pull up to 8.25 used to be 12 lol. That what they gave me when I passed

 

[Corrie]

You'd be very brave to want to tow 3.5t with a 90. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

I have been doing it for god 30 years , does not matter what your driving with weight on if you drive to quick you'll never stop it. Ask a lorry driver. I just trying to find this coupled brakes in the legislation, I think its a urban myth , because know one can point me to it

 

[Kev12]

now cat b vehicle if train weight is capable can pull up to 8.25 used to be 12 lol. That what they gave me when I passed

No, you have grandfather rights to C1. And a 90 is not approved to tow over 3500kg, which I think is what you want to do

 

[Kev12]

Also do you have a trailed which is designed for over 3500kg that will go behind your 90?

 

[bluedog333]

The 90 will only be rated for a certain weight trailer anyway. I think it might be 4t with assisted brakes? You’re used to pulling trailers so you should know your weights by now and you’ll also know that anything above 3.5t will be err, interesting in a 90.

 

[Corrie]

No, you have grandfather rights to C1. And a 90 is not approved to tow over 3500kg, which I think is what you want to do

Train weight 5900kg check your vin plate. My or any other old people lol b+e is not restricted to 3500kg. That's the truth I think a 110 is 6800kg or is that a 130. I am not talking about c1. A 90 is approved to 5900kg train weight. I just looking for the coupled brakes I keep hearing about in the legislation.

 

[Corrie]

The 90 will only be rated for a certain weight trailer anyway. I think it might be 4t with assisted brakes? You’re used to pulling trailers so you should know your weights by now and you’ll also know that anything above 3.5t will be err, interesting in a 90.

Yes 5900kg and yes I know my weights ect but looking for this coupled brakes in the legislation that was what I was looking for. I can't find it.i don't want to argue with people , just point me to where it says in the legislation coupled brakes. I understand it must pass off younger men that there b+e is restricted even after you pass your b+e test

 

[bluedog333]

Yes 5900kg and yes I know my weights ect but looking for this coupled brakes in the legislation that was what I was looking for. I can't find it.i don't want to argue with people , just point me to where it says in the legislation coupled brakes. I understand it must pass off younger men that there b+e is restricted even after you pass your b+e test

5900kg? What vehicle is this stamped on?

 

[Turboman]

Yes thats my point, I don't want a coupled brake set up. I could use a tractor if I wanted (friends) but it's just sometimes I am moving dirt and most of the time the load will be under 3.5 tonnes, but sometimes when I am tipping it the pump groaning a bit and I am thinking that load when it comes off looks like a 3 tonne pile. Just age I think double checking everything. A 90 will sit fine with 3.5 tonne if your used to pulling trailers. I think this coupled brakes is someone's opition not law cause I can't find it in the legislation anywhere. Yes the young guys are right about the thinking it 7.5 tonne stuff but back then and now cat b vehicle if train weight is capable can pull up to 8.25 used to be 12 lol. That what they gave me when I passed

Pretty sure the coupled brakes are law. But you are as capable of using Google Search as I am.

But from memory, coupled brakes only give you an extra 500kg anyway. And the weight doesn't really matter much, it is how the weight moves around. Loose loads such as piles of soil, or live animals, are pretty treacherous, so err on the side of caution.

 

[brianp38dse]

The maximum tow weight of a 90 is 3500kg and the max vehicle weight is 2400kg yes that adds up to 5900kg but that is maximum gross vehicle train weight
you can not go over 3500kg being towed

 

[bluedog333]

Pretty sure the coupled brakes are law. But you are as capable of using Google Search as I am.

But from memory, coupled brakes only give you an extra 500kg anyway. And the weight doesn't really matter much, it is how the weight moves around. Loose loads such as piles of soil, or live animals, are pretty treacherous, so err on the side of caution.

According to my Land Rover handbook it’s 3500kg with overrun brakes, which we all know, and 4000kg with coupled brakes, but Land Rover need to provide a new VIN plate when they are satisfied that the coupled brakes have been fitted professionally.
Not sure where he gets the 5900kg figure from, certainly wouldn’t fancy pulling that in a 90!

 

[brianp38dse]

According to my Land Rover handbook it’s 3500kg with overrun brakes, which we all know, and 4000kg with coupled brakes, but Land Rover need to provide a new VIN plate when they are satisfied that the coupled brakes have been fitted professionally.
Not sure where he gets the 5900kg figure from, certainly wouldn’t fancy pulling that in a 90!

Thats the maximum gross vehicle train weight ie 90 loaded up to 2400 and trailer max 3500