running your car on vegtable oil

[Rowan Clearwater]

Most of the cheaper Vegge oils are rapeseed anyway. Other oils are being used either neat or for development of biodiesel.
Oils I know that are in use are Corn, Rapeseed, Jatropa, Palm, Coconut, and let's not forget that diesels were first made to run on peanut oil, before the petroleum giants teamed up with the auto indusrtry.
Some hydraulic oils work too.
Any oil for road use hust pay a chunk to HMRC, but keep your nose clean and there is no problem. The preferred option is to run two tanks, as the oil needs heating before the injector pump, so start up AND finish on dinodiesel, and run straight veg oil (SVO) in between.
There is lots of info -particularly the California sites so read all about it first.
I'm putting a prima 2L in a series 3, as that works better than the 2.5NA lump on veg oil. All parts courtesy of Ebay.

 

[TreeWorks]

Is anyone here running a new Defender 2.4 on a veg oil mix?

Just thought I'd check on here before I take the plunge.

Cheers.

 

[Trewey]

don't do it!
not a good idea on a common-rail engine.

 

[Disc300Series]

I get used Veg oil and filter it to 2 Microns after settling for 20 days. This runs far better than Morrisons Diesel in My Range rover 2.5 DT. The Kit I've installed is from Dieselveg.com works a treat and simple to install.

 

[Disc300Series]

Common rails - not usually a problem on veg, temperature needs to be above 80 Deg C before switching over.. May depend on which fuel system your talking about but Bosch injectors and Pumps are fine on veg...!!!!

 

[Disc300Series]

Sorry your comments about paying Tax are wrong, the law change 17th June last year - small users can product / use 2500 litres a year TAX FREE any amount after this then you pay tax... if your doing 25mpg it works out like 13,000 miles a year on 2500 Litres!

 

[Disc300Series]

What fuel system's on your defender ?

 

[Sean]

What fuel system's on your defender ?

you've not quite got this forum thing sussed yet have ya

or do you want to have more posts than Mr Slob by this time next week ?

 

[Disc300Series]

suppose not...i'm at work and having to skip between reading these and work stuff !!!

 

[Disc300Series]

To anyone and everyone out there.. too many people switch to VEG then all that'll happen is MR Gordon Brown will slap the TAX on VEG.

 

[Sean]

suppose not...i'm at work and having to skip between reading these and work stuff !!!

i'm sure ya could have gotten at least 2 posts outta that comment

...... ah well done i see ya slipped another one in

e's after your title Mr Slob

 

[Oddie]

Sorry your comments about paying Tax are wrong, the law change 17th June last year

Whose comments?

 

[Disc300Series]

....earlier in this thread someone quoted about the tax on veg oil..!

 

[david451]

can anyone tell me weather you can only use veggie oil or if you can use rapeseed oil or corn oil

What about kerosine or parafin, the travelling people have used it for years, but you have to mix engine oil into it.

Anybody any info on it???

 

[stig]

What about kerosine or parafin, the travelling people have used it for years, but you have to mix engine oil into it.

Anybody any info on it???

also known as NATO fuel 25/1 mix with hydraulic oil, but using it and gettin stopped with it in your tank is vehicle confisication with no appeal

 

[Oddie]

....earlier in this thread someone quoted about the tax on veg oil..!

but wasn't that posted before 17 june last year? tis a VERY old fred!

 

[david451]

also known as NATO fuel 25/1 mix with hydraulic oil, but using it and gettin stopped with it in your tank is vehicle confisication with no appeal

That's bad that is, just as bad as red I guess, maybe worse.

cheers stig!!

 

[david451]

so no conversion for a diesel car? no bits to tweak, or timings to be changed? i can just pour pure veg oil straight in to the tank?

so some school boy calculations on my 90L diesel tank....

APPROX 70/30 RATIO:
diesel = 63L x 89p = £56.07
oil = 26L x (3L/£1.32*) = £11.44
white spirit = 1L = £1.00
Total = £68.51

or

50/50 RATIO:
diesel = 45L x 89p = £40.05
oil = 43L x (3L/£1.32*) = £18.48
white spirit = 2L = £2.00
Total = £60.53

or

NORMAL FILL UP:
diesel = 90L x 89p = £80.10

SAVING per fill up
70/30 = £11.59 (fillup once a week = £602.68 per year!)
50/50 = £19.57 (fillup once a week = £1,017.64 per year!)

worth thinking about!?!?!

* source: Tesco.com, but im sure you can find cheaper

There's a good article on vegetable oil on goat industries uk, they have a list of vehicles that they have tested on this oil and the results, but warn that it is only suitable for older vehicles and will destroy some injection pumps.

I'm also wondering how you pay the duty on it as required and if it can be detected in your tank if stopped, and if they confiscate your vehicle, like they do as stig said wif kerosine in it.

 

[david451]

There's a good article on vegetable oil on goat industries uk, they have a list of vehicles that they have tested on this oil and the results, but warn that it is only suitable for older vehicles and will destroy some injection pumps.

I'm also wondering how you pay the duty on it as required and if it can be detected in your tank if stopped, and if they confiscate your vehicle, like they do as stig said wif kerosine in it.

I meant to say as well that the german that designed the diesel engine originally run it on veg oil, and it was only the cost of veg oil that took the design away from this concept, modern engines and systems are therefore not designed to run on this, although some do and in actual fact run on other products as well "kerosine and heating oil" however in terms of long term use, I think that the jury is still out on it.

It also makes interesting reading looking up the fuel process and the breakdown of the different fuels from petrol to tar basically and their ignition processes. I found it whilst looking up kerosine, and nato fuel.

 

[Disc300Series]

..German yes - Rudolf Diesel but no it wasn't the cost, he got murdered suppected by the French for not selling the design for their Subs. Anyway whats it matter now, some Veg oils have higher Cetaine Rating than Diesel and Higher lubricating properties, down side 4 times thicker than Diesel hence the reason for heating it above 80 Deg C... 75 Less Co2 also and no sulphur.. Diesel Knock is reduced also so quieter running.