Freelander 1 washer motor

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Old diver

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just waded through lots of old threads but no help. Front washer motor runs, but no water. Rear washer is fine. Where is the motor please. Getting to loathe this damn car, fix one thing, two more problems arise.
 
Old diver said:
Had a look at taking the bumper off, it's not a little job. Might just cut an access panel in the wheel arch.
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Removing the bumper is one of those masochistic jobs that all Freelander owners must undertake at some point, its sort of like you're not in the club until you've removed the bumper :)

It can be a dickens of a job getting all the small screws out that hold the bumper to the plastic wheel arches. I think in the UK they are usually drilled out - over here they generally come out pretty easily ;) The good thing is that once you done it - it will be much easier next time - and there will be a next time!

Apart from those, there's a few simple screws and scrivets around the grill and then 1 bolt each side tucked up inside at the top of the wing - they're such fun to do as they're done basically blind cos you can't see them and you have to contort your limbs and scrape off a load of skin on the plastic liner. Then it "just slides off" - after you've found the screws you missed and work out how it slides.

So, you just have to do it - to say you've done it and beat the fecker that designed it and specified the stupid rust prone screws - and of course to take the obligatory photo of the Freelander in its naked glory :)

It will give you immense satisfaction......



until you come to working out how it slides back on, and how those stupid brackets that slide in at the top of the wings work. I've refitted bumper's quite a few times now... I've worked out how to slide it on, but I still don't really know how those blinking bracket things work!
 
GrumpyGel said:
Removing the bumper is one of those masochistic jobs that all Freelander owners must undertake at some point, its sort of like you're not in the club until you've removed the bumper :)

It can be a dickens of a job getting all the small screws out that hold the bumper to the plastic wheel arches. I think in the UK they are usually drilled out - over here they generally come out pretty easily ;) The good thing is that once you done it - it will be much easier next time - and there will be a next time!

Apart from those, there's a few simple screws and scrivets around the grill and then 1 bolt each side tucked up inside at the top of the wing - they're such fun to do as they're done basically blind cos you can't see them and you have to contort your limbs and scrape off a load of skin on the plastic liner. Then it "just slides off" - after you've found the screws you missed and work out how it slides.

So, you just have to do it - to say you've done it and beat the fecker that designed it and specified the stupid rust prone screws - and of course to take the obligatory photo of the Freelander in its naked glory :)

It will give you immense satisfaction......



until you come to working out how it slides back on, and how those stupid brackets that slide in at the top of the wings work. I've refitted bumper's quite a few times now... I've worked out how to slide it on, but I still don't really know how those blinking bracket things work!
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It's never going to happen mate. I would sooner cut a hatch through it to get to the washer pump. I can't tell you how ****ed off I am at this heap of crap vehicle. Been off the road for weeks, spent over £1000 on parts, got it back on the road, within a week, noise from underneath and washer pump packs in. Oh, I forgot, I had an heart attack after spending 10 days underneath it grafting. I will never buy British again. Going to the breakers yard later to play on a Freelander, to see the best way to rip the washer pump out.
 
Old diver said:
just waded through lots of old threads but no help. Front washer motor runs, but no water. Rear washer is fine. Where is the motor please. Getting to loathe this damn car, fix one thing, two more problems arise.
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Can anyone tell me which way the washer pumps face? Are they on the front of the bottle or the rear? Need to know this before I cut access plate, either through the bumper or through the wheel arch.
 
Old diver said:
Can anyone tell me which way the washer pumps face? Are they on the front of the bottle or the rear? Need to know this before I cut access plate, either through the bumper or through the wheel arch.
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Failing that could you not buy and retro fit a cheap simple new aftermarket pump ?
May save lot's of foul language !
 
lol, its not a 2 or 3 day job to remove the bumper - its reasonably straight forward - just made more difficult by all the little screws rusting and the bolt on the wings being a bit awkward to get at. By the time you've cut a few holes in the wrong place, it'll be easier just to remove it.

I would at least have a go at getting the screws out around the lip of the bumper first (ie around wheel arch and bottom) - if you can remove them the job's as good as done.

Edit: If you don't remove the bumper, you can bet your boots that the next thing to go on the car will be something that needs the bumper removed, eg light unit or radiator etc. If you do remove it they will stay in perfect working order, so it is also a form of preventative maintenance.
 
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Old diver said:
It's never going to happen mate. I would sooner cut a hatch through it to get to the washer pump. I can't tell you how ****ed off I am at this heap of crap vehicle. Been off the road for weeks, spent over £1000 on parts, got it back on the road, within a week, noise from underneath and washer pump packs in. Oh, I forgot, I had an heart attack after spending 10 days underneath it grafting. I will never buy British again.
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There's already an access panel in the arch liner.;)
The pumps are on the outside edge of the water tank.

You could do worse than buying British!
Yours has had an owner that couldn't be bothered to maintain it properly. I've had 6 FL1s over the years and all have been less trouble than the German, French and Japanese vehicles I've owned or repaired. ;)
 
Old diver said:
Sorry, I'm not with you. What do I fit the pump to? The washer bottle is behind a two or three day front bumper removal.
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I meant you can buy say a new motor and washer bottle in a cheap kit and just fit that for maybe just the front washers so it's mot able.
You know like if you had an old classic car with a hand pump.
Sorry I'm not good at explaining things lol.
Much easier than bumper removal, even I fitted one to an old car when my motor packed up and they were no longer available.
 
Nodge68 said:
There's already an access panel in the arch liner.;)
The pumps are on the outside edge of the water tank.

You could do worse than buying British!
Yours has had an owner that couldn't be bothered to maintain it properly. I've had 6 FL1s over the years and all have been less trouble than the German, French and Japanese vehicles I've owned or repaired. ;)
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Do you want another one?
 
Had to chip in on this one. Firstly had a situation where all washer jets got blocked together and nearly misdiagnosed as pump ! Secondly, when the pump did fail i removed a few screws to the wheel arch liner and with the front wheel on hard lock put a hand through and pulled the pump from the bottle - they are a push fit into the moulding and a rubber washer. Then the power plug can be pulled out. With your hand on the motor and by pressing the one that works you can find out which pump to pull out ! Only advice I would give would be to put on a thin plastic glove to save knuckle wear !!!!! Good luck - agree with Nodge - great cars but often with a few issues to resolve to get to steady state maintenance. If you want a really hard job wait for the water pump on a TD4 to go - it is like delivering a calf through the front wheel arch access hole (where the rack goes) ! Can be done though. My Dad used to say - put together by man can be taken apart by man !!!!!!
 
andyfreelandy said:
Had to chip in on this one. Firstly had a situation where all washer jets got blocked together and nearly misdiagnosed as pump ! Secondly, when the pump did fail i removed a few screws to the wheel arch liner and with the front wheel on hard lock put a hand through and pulled the pump from the bottle - they are a push fit into the moulding and a rubber washer. Then the power plug can be pulled out. With your hand on the motor and by pressing the one that works you can find out which pump to pull out ! Only advice I would give would be to put on a thin plastic glove to save knuckle wear !!!!! Good luck - agree with Nodge - great cars but often with a few issues to resolve to get to steady state maintenance. If you want a really hard job wait for the water pump on a TD4 to go - it is like delivering a calf through the front wheel arch access hole (where the rack goes) ! Can be done though. My Dad used to say - put together by man can be taken apart by man !!!!!!
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Both pumps are running, rear one pumping water, front one just making a running noise. Have split the tube in engine compartmant, it's not pumping water.
 
Please share the results of your finding and solution - that is what makes this forum work - we ask advice, we share results and always like to see a closed out solution with findings. Thanks
 
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