New idea for shackles whilst towing and off roading

[Oldseadog]

OK, using a Dyneema (trade name) sounds fine in principle, but I would not use it for serious recovery or towing!

I will be the first to confirm it's lightweight strength and durability, as I have used it on racing yachts.

However, as with all rope, extreme care must be taken to keep it clean and free from grit, otherwise in common with all braided ropes, it does and will deteriorate rapidly from the inside.

It is recommended for most ropes the minimum 'loaded' bend is 3 x diameter, whereas with Dyneema it is 5 x Dia.

On the plus side, Dyneemas stretch properties are excellently low, and should a block or shackle fail, the kinetic energy retained in the rope is minimal, so you would have a much reduced whiplash effect.

 

[Mr Noisy]

After all is said and done, a safety retainer line into the working shackles is the most reliable way to go.

 

[blackstrat]

Surely the easiest way to stop the shackles flying back through your screen if the line snaps whilst winching would be to open the bonnet..?

 

[gemsdad]

Surely the easiest way to stop the shackles flying back through your screen if the line snaps whilst winching would be to open the bonnet..?

who said it has to go into the front screen???

 

[jacksta]

So from reading this mornings posts, if you use a dog bone thingy and the winch rope breaks you will risk being killed a ' little bit'?
If I went to the expence of a synthetic rope it would not be allowed to get dirty or gritty.
The idea monkfish has put forward is an improvement to the safety weak link involved in winching.

 

[The V8 man]

Surely this is creating a problem that never needs to be there in the first place, why not create a loop on the end of the strop after its been fed through the loop in the end of the first strop, which i have done before or am i missing something ?

 

[flat]

I think the issue is when 2 strops are linked with a shackle to make an extra long strip with the shackle in the middle.

I would just link the 2 strops together with a larks foot knot through one of the loops on one of the strops, tied with the other strop. Over time it will weaken the loop and the strop may have half a life span of normal but I would prefer to buy a new strop than a new face

 

[The V8 man]

I sse what your saying but why use a shackle or anything else to join the strops together when you can just loop them together ?

 

[Mr Noisy]

Strops can bind or be damaged or both when linked together

A rope shackle is not a bad idea in this temporary instance

I say temporary as if you regularly need a longer strop you need to get a longer one!

 

[flat]

I sse what your saying but why use a shackle or anything else to join the strops together when you can just loop them together ?

I think we are talking about doing the same thing, I just have a habit of using ten words when one will do lol

 

[Paul D]

I sort of touched on this when I showed a few of the North Yorks group what I use to connect strops when I need a longer length, basically a rounders bat! Many offroad websites suggest a rolled up magazine ..

OK, the bat isn't necessarily totally safe if it flies, but it's a helluva lot safer than a metal shackle.

 

[SteNova]

i just bought a longer one so i didnt need to connect 2 together

 

[Thor1950]

no idea,but that lump of ally will come through the windscreen just the same as a shackle.which is why the question was first asked.

That thing Gems just falls. with a shackle it is attached to either of the strap ends when it breaks, becoming a missile hazard. I guess you do not understand how it works, it is never held on the eye by mechanical means, it is held by friction

 

[Thor1950]

They there are not the same......,

That just stops the strap from pulling tight up to the tow hook, the soft shackle does what it says on the tin, it's a shackle.

I know they aren't the same as your rope thing, just showing a different alternative to shackles

 

[blackstrat]

who said it has to go into the front screen???

Because there's no such thing as a rear screen it's called a window :lol:

 

[monkfish24]

Strops can bind or be damaged or both when linked together

A rope shackle is not a bad idea in this temporary instance

I say temporary as if you regularly need a longer strop you need to get a longer one!

Ahhhhh this is what I am trying to get at.

The other use I have found is for my 2t hooks, they don't have to be permanently spliced to the hook if I am dragging something around. Just shackled to the rope.

 

[monkfish24]

It only wieghs half a pound and 15 dorrar but tax would knock it up a bit.
Looks like a decent idea to me.

How much do the spectra/dymena jovvies work out at?

£6.32/M and a 'how to splice' video.

http://www.pinbax.com/index.asp?selection=detailed&uid=36974&cg=10&mc=112&cct=6&sc=1002

Yeah, P&B are normally overpriced, my SK75 was £1.40 a metre, that was trade but P&B are still overpriced.

 

[GINGE]

Surely this is creating a problem that never needs to be there in the first place, why not create a loop on the end of the strop after its been fed through the loop in the end of the first strop, which i have done before or am i missing something ?

you shouldn't do that as the amount of stress put on the loops in such a small area can break them or weaken them at the very least.

You always want to use force in a straight line where possible.

 

[gemsdad]

That thing Gems just falls. with a shackle it is attached to either of the strap ends when it breaks, becoming a missile hazard. I guess you do not understand how it works, it is never held on the eye by mechanical means, it is held by friction

you have no idea what you are talking about,look at that item you posted,if the rope broke at the mounting point,then with it being under great tension that metal thing would fly back and possibly kill or maim someone.i have done more towing and recovery than you will ever know.unlike you i only post on things i have experience of.by the way that item is held in by pressure,not friction.

 

[gemsdad]

Because there's no such thing as a rear screen it's called a window :lol:

wrong,tis a rear windscreen.