engine rebuild

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Hi

I'm going to replace my engine before it gets to the stage of starting to go wrong due to its high milage

Unable to afford a recon engine as they are around 2.5k

Once I've got a second hand engine and sorted will then get it fitted

PReventing me from having the nightmare of being without a car if the current engine failed as it could then take 6 months for me to afford another one

I was a former gas and oil boiler enginner for over 25 years and always belived if something is getting to a very worn out stage better to replace it before it breaks and also damaging other parts along the way

I know its sound mad but really have to rely on my car and by doing it this way there's no panic and will then only be without my car for about a week, as I imagine it would take a while to get the lump swapped

With the old engine that I remove will strip everything off that I need as spares,

Will then most proberly sell off some of the parts if poss to recoup some of my money

Gary
 
I cannot afford to be without my car for months on end

If I get another second hand engine I can repair it over 6 months if need be

I only get dla and its simply down to money,

If my engine failed It could get totally destroyed and smash my ird and auto box in bits ,I would then be in real trouble

Am doing this as a preventive measure and if something is worn I won't wait until it breaks

With working on boiler for over 25 years I useto see very worn parts and advised the customer to replace them before it breaks and damages other parts in the boiler

I've lost count of the amount of times I went back a few weeks later , where some of the main heat exchanger has failed, sprayed water over the fan, gas valve, circuit board which has meant they then need a new boiler

They've then had to find the money and if they didn't have it spend months without any heat or water and cost them considerably more, when if they changed a aprt of 400 quid they have then had to spend out 2 grand

Its for my peace of mind and a financial one ,including it will then stop other parts being damaged due to the very high mileage its already done, of course I'm not talking about all worn parts but I feel the engine has now got to be very worn and will have to be replaced sooner rather than later

I like learning and cannot do much now, but with this project I have plenty of time on my hands and need something to do

Where's the best place to get parts from please , are the major suppliers ok

Gary
 
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I expect your right but don't want to take that risk when I know I can prevent further being damaged by swapping out the engines

Have done a few engines in the past but know this is far more complicated

Will be a huge learning curve for me, I know it sounds mad but can't be without my car, cheaper than 2.5K for a recon engine and simply cannot afford a recon engine

So my options would be, wait for the engine to fail, cannot afford a recon engine, if for example a piston went through the block engine would then be us.

Would then have to buy another second hand engine and due to limited funds could take 6 months to get the money together and all the time paying for insurance, etc

Thks for the help etc and trying to find decent web sites for parts, tech notes etc

Gary
 
Only potential risk with td4 is crank failing and even that is rare.

Check yours thoroughly using info from the search function ;)
 
Thks buddy

When I get another engine what's do you think would be the highest mileage to accept

I was thinking a max of 50K, as I've seen plenty that are over 100,000 miles on the clock and know that's defeating the object

Thanks about the tip about the crank, would hate to buy one of them outright, loL

Will be very interesting what my engine will look like when I pull it apart

Also will take plenty of pics in case anyone on here finds them useful

Gary
 
Sorry to be blunt, but this is a stupid idea.

You are planning in advance for an event that might never occur. OK, its nice to be prepared in case it does happen....but what if it never does? If your budget is that limited, you shouldnt be spending out on something that you may never need.
Also, what if you painstakingly rebuild an engine sinking your money into it, then the IRD ****s itself? There are an awful lot of things that can go wrong with a Freelander that you just can't plan for.... A couple of punctures, failed clutch slave cylinder and perhaps a fuel pump failure or two will leave you needing several hundreds of pounds worth of repairs and all are a hell of a lot more likely than total engine failure.


You will be left struggling with a shiny new engine in the shed that will never make back the money you put into it if you try to sell it.
IMO, take the money you plan to spend on this engine and put it aside to cover any future problems IF they occur.
 
dave21478 said:
Sorry to be blunt, but this is a stupid idea.

You are planning in advance for an event that might never occur. OK, its nice to be prepared in case it does happen....but what if it never does? If your budget is that limited, you shouldnt be spending out on something that you may never need.
Also, what if you painstakingly rebuild an engine sinking your money into it, then the IRD ****s itself? There are an awful lot of things that can go wrong with a Freelander that you just can't plan for.... A couple of punctures, failed clutch slave cylinder and perhaps a fuel pump failure or two will leave you needing several hundreds of pounds worth of repairs and all are a hell of a lot more likely than total engine failure.



I'm not going to be left in a situation where my engine fails and know I can
You will be left struggling with a shiny new engine in the shed that will never make back the money you put into it if you try to sell it.
IMO, take the money you plan to spend on this engine and put it aside to cover any future problems IF they occur.
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Of course I haven't got a crystal ball, but as soon as you turn the key something could fail

What someone thinks is a daft idea some one else might not

I'm not going to be left without a car for months on end with a failed engine

The same way people qith other land rovers pour money into it

The engine is now very high mileage and agree that I won't know when a part will fail

I respect other peoples opinions but will go ahead with my plans and know some people will think I'm nuts and others won't

Gary
 
180k miles is not that high. It's not the 1970's any more and modern engines should easily do 250k without ever having to be opened, assuming it gets regular servicing. Its all the other stuff around the engine that fails....High pressure pump, injectors, alternator etc. Besides, the engine (apart from the 1.8) has never, ever been the weak point of Freelanders, its the transmission that fails more than the engine....from the dual mass flywheel and internal slave cylinder to the rear diff and everything in between is where the unexpected costs arise.

Mine is on 180k and is still going strong....last year saw a new battery, new alternator, 4 reconn'd injectors and a set of silicone hoses... It gets hard daily use, tows heavy loads and runs a Synergy2A with Pierburg maf set to its maximum for torque and hp. If I were to have a worry, it would be the transmission, not the engine internals.
 
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I can understand your logic about having a spare engine, but if yours has been maintained then 250-300,000miles/km are not unheard of, even my old Mondeo had 260.000 on when I scrapped it, it was the rust that got to it, the engine was the best part fitted.
I would also agree that any money that you would spend on the spare engine(buying and rebuilding), would be better put to one side if you can, and used on items when they go wrong, no point in having a replacement engine sat there and your IRD, clutch or diff are in bits on your driveway, and you will then have a car you cannot use until you have those replaced.
Unless you can get a engine for free, so you can strip and collect parts you need to rebuild over time, I would save your money in case its not the engine (and sods law states it wont be) that lets you down.
 
BigRog said:
I can understand your logic about having a spare engine, but if yours has been maintained then 250-300,000miles/km are not unheard of, even my old Mondeo had 260.000 on when I scrapped it, it was the rust that got to it, the engine was the best part fitted.
I would also agree that any money that you would spend on the spare engine(buying and rebuilding), would be better put to one side if you can, and used on items when they go wrong, no point in having a replacement engine sat there and your IRD, clutch or diff are in bits on your driveway, and you will then have a car you cannot use until you have those replaced.
Unless you can get a engine for free, so you can strip and collect parts you need to rebuild over time, I would save your money in case its not the engine (and sods law states it wont be) that lets you down.
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Again, agree.
 
Yep I can indeed see your logic behind this and as always respect other peoples views

If I bought a hawkeye for my landy would that be able to tell me the condition of my freelander please

I just don't wish to get to the stage if my engine fails etc and quite understand other parts could fail in the interim

Have noticed on occassion when pulling away it seems as though the box will sort of jump jerk etc so maybe as you say I should concentrate on that more oppsed to the engine

As if I for argument say put if required a new auto box and ird, injectors etc then if the engine did indeed fail could then reuse these parts

If it was the case of me working I wouldn't worry, trying cover things that may go wrong

The vcu, props, brakes, tyres servicing have all been done and fully respect I haven't got a crystal ball

But you have indeed now got me thinking and maybe I could buy a hawkeye but unsure if it will tell me what state my engine is in

Even though at the end of the day I will do what I feel I wish to do I'm not arragent and always listen to others peoples views if they have experiance with the freelanders otherwise I wouldn't have come on here in the first place

Will blame you though , Lol for now me having to use my brain lol

Gary
 
I agree with most of the other posts on here.
I think you will just be wasting your money.
Why strip a good engine.
Have you got or have access to all the measuring devices you will need.
What do you intend replacing exactly.
I doubt you will get parts machined to the same standards as even a part worn
BMW genuine engine.
What will you do with the rebuilt engine,will you fit it or just store it.
If the latter how will you test it before you store it.
How will you know if its ok.

By all means buy a spare engine if it gives you peace of mind but leave it alone.

500,000 miles it not unusual for a diesel engine run on decent synthetic oils these days.My own VW Transporter van is just short of 250,00 with no problems.
 
I know some people think I'm nuts buts but certainly wouldn't store an engine

Everyone works in different ways

I've rebuilt a couple of engines before but of course know this is far more complicated

At the end of the day what happens if my current engine failed now, I'm stuffed for at least 6 months which would then mean I cannot get out and would be housebound for the entire time

I of course veryone elses opinion but of course don't have to justify myself, not being disresctful to anyone as I did ask what people thought

With any car and start to notice things are going wrong shall I just wait until it breaks

I will be in the next few days get a full test on my engine to see what state it is in

If I had 2.5K spare cash to cover possibly engine failure etc.

On an older land rover my engine was beginning to show signs of wear at 150,000 miles I thought I would leave it the timing chain snapped and wrote the engine off

I'm not going to go down that same road again

My first and most important thing is ensure the car is maintained to the highest standard I can, I'm thinking of the forward planning etc

Going to also get the autobox and ird unit checked out

Don't know if a hawkeye would be able to tell me if I've got worn injectors, maf sensors, gearbox etc

when I do buy another lump will get one with a max of 50 K on it, will then replace timing chain, belts, oil strainer etc , as once done will then know its sorted out for the foreseable future

If a garage done a decent warrenty I could then get the newer engine dropped in , but we all know warrenties arnt worth the paper they are written on

I refuse to be stuffed for 6 months or so if indeed the engine did fail

Gary
 
gary , your not nuts, if this is something that would make you feel more at ease then go ahead and do it ,
i recently replaced my td4 engine 110k miles, as the crank had snapped, , replaced with an engine from ebay £500, and is running as good as ever,
the original engine was stripped, no signs of any wear, it never burnt a drop of oil, between oil changes, just down to bad luck,

as already has been mentioned i would be more concerned with the transmission failing ,
 
Hi

Thks for that, blimey someone who doesn't think I'm nuts, lol

I really appreciate advice concerning my freelander and the advance warning about the ird and autobox

Sounds a daft question but would the likes of a haweye be able to tell me if there are any faults within the box and ird please

As I was saying that due to the high milage I've got to be more cautious opposed to a lower milage freelander

Against advice , even though I only done around 1, 500 miles lasy year I had the autobox oil, engine and filter replaced and intend to get them changed annually even though there not due for at least 6,000 miles etc.

Just trying to see and find out 100 percent what the condition is of my box, ird and engine

I imagine the auto box are mega expensive 800 to replace but don't know what they would cost on ebay etc

The auto box I wouldn't even dream of trying to repair thid as it is such a skilled job and know I would get into a right load of trouble, ending up with a bucket full of parts.

Been there done that over 20 years ago with an old series gearbox, learnt the hard way but did indeed really enjoy rebuilding a 2.25 engine

Thks again and appreciate the help

Gary
 
another thing to bear in mind , second hand spares are relatively cheap and plentiful for the td4 and usually a day or two for delivery, so you are unlikely to be stuck for very long
 
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