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I'd rather learn from my mistakes, I'm still quite new to all this.

On the video of us doing a bypass as the ford, I got the following comment; I was at the back of the group at this point, and assumed that as everyone went round, and the leader had told us not to go off piste anywhere, that there was a good reason for the detour. Was there? I've taken the...

Oh. My. God. It even has a multicoloured snorkel tube. What on earth were they thinking? Check out the gap between the sump and the bottom of the bumper.

I see your point, and why you might take it the wrong way, but this thread was really just a way of creating some banter and introducing myself. Please don't get annoyed by it. I'll admit now, that yes a defender is better off road most of the time, but I bet most of you seriously...

The conclusions were; No, it probably couldn't cope with the ruts Yes, it could wade up to the bonnet, but only if the water wasn't flowing Yes, it could haul it's light little body up a big hill. ------ Calm down. This thread is only a bit of fun, and I've never said that Landies are...

Would standard cars stand a chance at one of those? I've never been to one, let alone tried it.

As I said earlier, I chose the zuk because it suited me. £2,500 for a 50,000 mile 52 plate. A landy would be several times that cost, and I don't want something which needs fixing regularly. I'm quite mechanically minded, but that doesn't mean I enjoy playing with rusty bolts. Suzuki parts are...

Carpy - I think you've got spot on for pretty much every point. The real answer is, they're different. Sometimes a Jimny will be better, sometimes a defender is better, usually it will depend on the skill of the driver. Either way, both are a riot to drive off road. Buckshot is right too -...

I thought he was trying to get INTO his drive. It makes no difference. If he can't safely hold the car on the hill, he shouldn't be risking it.

It's suprisingly good, especially away from ruts as the approach/breakover/departure angles are so good. To answer a previous post - no it doesn't have any electronic helpers, such as terrain response. That's a good point. Modern discos have a tendancy to make really difficult terrain look...

I'm with goonarmy, if you can't hold the car on the brakes without sliding, you shouldn't be on the hill.

You should take it as fast as safely possible, with only enough power going to the wheels to just about get you to the top - this is why a high gear helps, it prevents you from giving a sudden dollop of torque which may induce wheelspin. You should aim to reach the crest at 1mph, rather than...

It's got low range, and there is no centre diff to lock, you can chose to be in 2wd or 4wd instead. So no advantage there.

I haven't modified it, other than recovery points, and AT tyres. The tyres should be 205/70R15 but are 205/75R15, so not really a 'mod'. But finally, a decent argument. I just checked, and a defender has bigger wheels, which I guess leads to more ground clearance under the diff, so perhaps a...

Right. I'm declaring myself the victor. Jimnies are gay, can't carry ****, but apart from that are the superior off road machine. Winnah. See you all at the next salisbury event :)

Lol @ farmershort.

Ahh, landrover owners, always assuming things will break :) And what about getting stuck? Less likely than in a defender, and easier to unstick when it does happen...

The point is, it's a great toy, which is all that a lot of defenders are. 3 replies so far, and not one disagreement :)

That was the line I came out with when trying to explain to a group of Landzoners that they shouldn't worry about me, when I met up with them to tackle Salisbury Plain on Sunday. Everyone nodded, but in a 'yeah right whatever' kind of way. I drive a standard Jimny, in gay blue. The only mods...

Your best bet is to put it on youtube, and link to it here.