help ! my p38 is suffering from asphyxiation

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chabrolly

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since one week , my range ( p38 hse , 1996 ) doesn't run well ... i feel like it's asphyxiated , the engine is making all its possible to run , but the fuel is going unuseful , and i feel that somtimes , when i'm running up a mountain , that the injectors are over filled with fuel ,
is it a problem of spark plugs ? or injections ? or exhaust ?
any help please !
regards
charbel
 
Mass AirFlow Sensor (MAF)

The MAF is a key engine sensor that detects the volume of air being drawn into the engine. In older engines the pressure of the air in the inlet manifold was detected using a MAP (Manifold Air Pressure) sensor, however with the development of these new, highly accurate MAF sensors, the engine management system can take advantage of a more accurate knowledge of the load of the engine.

The MAF sensor, usually tucked away neatly inside the air inlet trunking, is easy to forget. Indeed, unless it fails it will never normally be removed or cleaned. Much like the Injectors, it is not examined during a normal service.

There is mounting evidence that a dirty MAF sensor can cause malfunctions. At first it was suggested that the MAF should be replaced - but cleaning the sensor wires instead, a simple operation taking ten minutes, is as efficient.

But how can it get dirty? Surely there is an air filter to keep it clean?

Well, yes there is, but air has to be allowed through, and with it microscopic pollen and other organic material which burns when it comes into contact with the sensor wire, which is maintained at 200 degrees C. The MAF electronics measures the amount of current required to keep the wire at this temperature, against the cooling effect of the inlet air flowing past it. Hence the current required is a measure of the actual airflow.

In automatics, as the MAF inevitably becomes coated in soot, the readings for the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) become less and less accurate, but the PCM has no way of knowing this. It must accept the reading, and since the PCM uses the MAF to determine airflow for fueling, idle (with the IACV), the torque converter clutch and gear scheduling (see EECV) it is not surprising that the gearbox begins to produce errors. The PCM is selecting gears which are not actually suitable for the work which the engine is doing.

int Google a wunderful thing?:D
 
since one week , my range ( p38 hse , 1996 ) doesn't run well ... i feel like it's asphyxiated , the engine is making all its possible to run , but the fuel is going unuseful , and i feel that somtimes , when i'm running up a mountain , that the injectors are over filled with fuel ,
is it a problem of spark plugs ? or injections ? or exhaust ?
any help please !
regards
charbel

If you had a GEMS system, I would guess that you are running in "limp home" mode. If you have a hotwire, I would suspect your lambdas. Do you have access to testing equipment..such as Rovacom?
 
ffs - dont yu read posts, Chabrolly - look at post#5!

or if your eyes cant reach that high - here it is again in a slightly different form :rolleyes:

LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass Air Flow Sensor

Description: The Air Flow Sensor or Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF) is one of the components of an electronic fuel injection system and is found in many of modern vehicles. Most mass air flow sensors are one piece hermetically sealed units with no moving components.

Purpose: The Mass Air Flow sensor is used to measure (actually weigh) the amount of air entering the engine. This measurement is used by the engine computer or ECM to calculate proper amount of fuel injected into the cylinders in order to provide optimum combustion and low emissions.

Maintenance Tips/Suggestions: LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass air flow sensor requires no regular maintenance. On mass air flow sensors with a sense wire, this wire can become contaminated with dust particles. These particles can be removed with automotive solvents that are safe for the use on mass air flow sensors. LAND ROVER Range Rover mass air flow sensors are commonly misdiagnosed. Before replacing the mass air flow sensor check for air leaks in the connecting air ducts and intake manifold. These leaks can cause similar symptoms as a malfunctioning mass air flow sensor.

Failure symptoms: Problems with Mass Air Flow sensors are common. Bad or contaminated LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass Air Flow sensor can possibly cause a wide range of various vehicle drivability problems such as stalling, especially when the engine is cold, misfiring, poor acceleration, etc. In addition, a problem with the Mass Air Flow sensor often causes the "check engine" or "service engine soon" light in the vehicle instrument panel to illuminate.

AKA: MAF, Air Flow Meter

Location: The LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass Air Flow sensor is usually installed in the intake air duct between the air filter and the throttle body mounted on the intake manifold. Some mass air flow sensors are mounted directly to the throttle body.

Disclaimer: Depending on the year and options your LAND ROVER Range Rover has, the above information may not apply. Consult with a professional automotive technician or manufacturer for specifics on your LAND ROVER Range Rover
 
ffs - dont yu read posts, Chabrolly - look at post#5! or if your eyes cant reach that high - here it is again in a slightly different form :rolleyes:
LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass Air Flow Sensor

I prefer calling them Air Flow Meters (AFMs), because that is what they do. MAF confuses people.

Purpose: The Mass Air Flow sensor is used to measure (actually weigh) the amount of air entering the engine.

LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass air flow sensor requires no regular maintenance.

A bit of confusion. There is no AFM that "weighs" air. In this case, the unit has a heated wire running through its air passage. The more air that rushes through the more that wire (s) cools and the degree its cools varies an ohm reading which is sent along to the ECU with a measurement of ambient temperature (so the day's termperature can be discounted from its effect on the wire heat).

fThis measurement is used by the engine computer or ECM to calculate proper amount of fuel injected into the cylinders in order to provide optimum combustion and low emissions.

Sorta. With the measurement of the wire's heat, the ambient temperature, and the coil pulses the ECU knows the engine load and rpm and, all else being well, it trots to its eprom (fuel map) and finds what it has been told will will keep the local government happy (1st priority) and (hopefully run the engine (2nd priority).

LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass air flow sensor requires no regular maintenance.

Correct.

LAND ROVER Range Rover mass air flow sensors are commonly misdiagnosed.

It is very hard to misdiagnose them with a LR diagnostic unit. Of course, one can simply connect a multimeter and test the voltage between pin 35 on the ECU plug and a good earth. He should get between .3 -.6 volts. If it is off that, there is something amiss with the AFM.

Before replacing the mass air flow sensor check for air leaks in the connecting air ducts and intake manifold. These leaks can cause similar symptoms as a malfunctioning mass air flow sensor.

Not hard to do. One buys a bottle of Quick Start (aka a spray can of ether). When the engine is running, he sprays short spurts of it at various places vacuum leaks may occur, (hoses, junctions, meeting faces, steeper motor, plenum nose, fuel pressure regulator) if the rpms change, he has found his vacuum. It is the only way. Even the most modern diagnostics unit cannot find vacuum leaks.

Failure symptoms: Problems with Mass Air Flow sensors are common.

Actually they're great. These Hitachi AFMs (I am assuming he has a Lucas Hotwire fueling syetem) have proven to be extremely solid. But as you say, if it has gone south, there is nothing he can do about it. So this is all informational and not much use. He should never spend the money on a AFM without it being checked first.

The same symtoms can occur more commonly from other causes. For example, he is far past the lifetime of 1996 lambdas..and a bad one causes all these symptoms.

Location: The LAND ROVER Range Rover Mass Air Flow sensor is usually installed in the intake air duct between the air filter and the throttle body mounted on the intake manifold. Some mass air flow sensors are mounted directly to the throttle body.

In his case, it is between the air filter housing and the nose of the plenum. The plenum nose houses/holds the throttle body, the throttle potentiameter and the idle screw. The plenum funnels the air into the trumpets, through the trumpet base and only then into the intake far below.

If I were our friend, I would test the lambdas first and go on from there.
 
I prefer calling them Air Flow Meters (AFMs), because that is what they do. MAF confuses people.



A bit of confusion. There is no AFM that "weighs" air. In this case, the unit has a heated wire running through its air passage. The more air that rushes through the more that wire (s) cools and the degree its cools varies an ohm reading which is sent along to the ECU with a measurement of ambient temperature (so the day's termperature can be discounted from its effect on the wire heat).



Sorta. With the measurement of the wire's heat, the ambient temperature, and the coil pulses the ECU knows the engine load and rpm and, all else being well, it trots to its eprom (fuel map) and finds what it has been told will will keep the local government happy (1st priority) and (hopefully run the engine (2nd priority).



Correct.



It is very hard to misdiagnose them with a LR diagnostic unit. Of course, one can simply connect a multimeter and test the voltage between pin 35 on the ECU plug and a good earth. He should get between .3 -.6 volts. If it is off that, there is something amiss with the AFM.



Not hard to do. One buys a bottle of Quick Start (aka a spray can of ether). When the engine is running, he sprays short spurts of it at various places vacuum leaks may occur, (hoses, junctions, meeting faces, steeper motor, plenum nose, fuel pressure regulator) if the rpms change, he has found his vacuum. It is the only way. Even the most modern diagnostics unit cannot find vacuum leaks.



Actually they're great. These Hitachi AFMs (I am assuming he has a Lucas Hotwire fueling syetem) have proven to be extremely solid. But as you say, if it has gone south, there is nothing he can do about it. So this is all informational and not much use. He should never spend the money on a AFM without it being checked first.

The same symtoms can occur more commonly from other causes. For example, he is far past the lifetime of 1996 lambdas..and a bad one causes all these symptoms.



In his case, it is between the air filter housing and the nose of the plenum. The plenum nose houses/holds the throttle body, the throttle potentiameter and the idle screw. The plenum funnels the air into the trumpets, through the trumpet base and only then into the intake far below.​

If I were our friend, I would test the lambdas first and go on from there.​
And in laymans terms??????:rolleyes:
 
And in laymans terms??????:rolleyes: "Je Suis Prest""

Hi Sean,

If there is something I posted that went beyond your level, I sincerely apologize. I can try to make it simpler if you wish. What did you have trouble with?

On my side, can you help me with the phrase "Je Suis Prest"? Did you mean "Je suis prêt"?

P.S. Est-ce qu'il y a beaucoup ici qui se comporte comme un enfant?
 
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