Yahoo, no more oil crisis

In message <[email protected]>, Dave
Liquorice <[email protected]> writes
>On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:27:10 GMT, [email protected]
>wrote:
>
>> never mind the oil crisis, my local Morrison's is selling fuel at 89p a
>> litre, last week it was 94p...what's going on here then?
>
>$10 drop in the price of crude in the last 3 weeks? Brent is now below
>$70/barrel it was up at $78/barrel. Still fecking expensive, not so long
>ago it was <$30/barrel.
>

Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.

Who'd have thought it eh! NOT

Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how these
new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT

The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
telling 'em black is actually white !
--
John Lubran

In message <[email protected]>
[email protected] wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
> Liquorice <[email protected]> writes
> >On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:27:10 GMT, [email protected]
> >wrote:
> >
> >> never mind the oil crisis, my local Morrison's is selling fuel at 89p a
> >> litre, last week it was 94p...what's going on here then?
> >
> >$10 drop in the price of crude in the last 3 weeks? Brent is now below
> >$70/barrel it was up at $78/barrel. Still fecking expensive, not so long
> >ago it was <$30/barrel.
> >
>
> Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
> They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.
>
> Who'd have thought it eh! NOT
>
> Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how these
> new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT
>
> The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
> sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
> telling 'em black is actually white !

I think you may be being a tad harsh there (about the oil companies,
anyway!). The "original" North Sea oil was "unreachable" until the
technology became available to find/recover it, and every hike
in the oil price makes exploiting the more inaccessable fields
more viable. I dare say there's an awful lot of oil under the
Atlantic, but it's simply not viable to go looking for it......yet.

Richard
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"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> In message <[email protected]>, Dave
>> Liquorice <[email protected]> writes
>> >On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:27:10 GMT, [email protected]
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> never mind the oil crisis, my local Morrison's is selling fuel at 89p
>> >> a
>> >> litre, last week it was 94p...what's going on here then?
>> >
>> >$10 drop in the price of crude in the last 3 weeks? Brent is now below
>> >$70/barrel it was up at $78/barrel. Still fecking expensive, not so long
>> >ago it was <$30/barrel.
>> >
>>
>> Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
>> They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.
>>
>> Who'd have thought it eh! NOT
>>
>> Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how these
>> new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT
>>
>> The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
>> sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
>> telling 'em black is actually white !
>
> I think you may be being a tad harsh there (about the oil companies,
> anyway!). The "original" North Sea oil was "unreachable" until the
> technology became available to find/recover it, and every hike
> in the oil price makes exploiting the more inaccessable fields
> more viable. I dare say there's an awful lot of oil under the
> Atlantic, but it's simply not viable to go looking for it......yet.
>
> Richard
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
> Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
All over the world there are oil wells that are capped because at that time
they were considered not financially viable
Alan

>>>
>>> Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
>>> They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.
>>>
>>> Who'd have thought it eh! NOT
>>>
>>> Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how these
>>> new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT
>>>
>>> The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
>>> sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
>>> telling 'em black is actually white !

Well blow me! Just announced from the good ole USA. They've discovered a
huge field that'll reduce their imports by 50%.

It's good to be correct and even better not to be a cap doffing
respectie of the unworthy establishment and not to be unduly influenced
by the diabolical aplomb of the faux learnedly reasonable. But I bet
these 'new' discoveries aren't over yet, by a long way.
--
John Lubran

[email protected] wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
>>>> They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.
>>>>
>>>> Who'd have thought it eh! NOT
>>>>
>>>> Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how these
>>>> new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT
>>>>
>>>> The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
>>>> sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
>>>> telling 'em black is actually white !
>
> Well blow me! Just announced from the good ole USA. They've discovered a
> huge field that'll reduce their imports by 50%.
>
> It's good to be correct and even better not to be a cap doffing
> respectie of the unworthy establishment and not to be unduly influenced
> by the diabolical aplomb of the faux learnedly reasonable. But I bet
> these 'new' discoveries aren't over yet, by a long way.

This new discovery is in ultra deep water, and at almost record total depth.
The actual amount of the discovery is uncertain, and in any case it will be
a long time before it is developed, and it will be enormously expensive to
develop. Timing of the announcement was determined mainly by US politics.
JD

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:14:59 +1000, JD wrote:

> This new discovery is in ultra deep water, and at almost record total
> depth. The actual amount of the discovery is uncertain, and in any case
> it will be a long time before it is developed, and it will be
> enormously expensive to develop.

At todays prices... When, not if, other sources start to run dry it will
become economic to extract.

> Timing of the announcement was determined mainly by US politics.

Definately. Is the war monger(*) due for election in the next 2 years?

(*) Not that he cane be re-elected having served his maximum term and
done most of the damage he can.

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In message <[email protected]>, JD <[email protected]>
writes
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
>>>>> They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who'd have thought it eh! NOT
>>>>>
>>>>> Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how these
>>>>> new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT
>>>>>
>>>>> The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
>>>>> sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
>>>>> telling 'em black is actually white !
>>
>> Well blow me! Just announced from the good ole USA. They've discovered a
>> huge field that'll reduce their imports by 50%.
>>
>> It's good to be correct and even better not to be a cap doffing
>> respectie of the unworthy establishment and not to be unduly influenced
>> by the diabolical aplomb of the faux learnedly reasonable. But I bet
>> these 'new' discoveries aren't over yet, by a long way.
>
>This new discovery is in ultra deep water, and at almost record total depth.
>The actual amount of the discovery is uncertain, and in any case it will be
>a long time before it is developed, and it will be enormously expensive to
>develop. Timing of the announcement was determined mainly by US politics.
>JD


Well it's not quite as problematic as that. Venezuela for example has
had to reach deep into the ocean for it's oil and the Brazilians have
also been much to the fore in developing deep sea drilling technology
that's extended considerably beyond that of the North Sea players. Needs
must as they say. Sure it's more expensive than drilling in the desert,
why the heck does one suppose they are getting that out of the ground
first!? But suggestions that deep sea drilling is beyond economic
viability have not been true for some years now. If there's one issue
that might still make the American Atlantic offshore reserves
expensively difficult is the effect climate change is having on
hurricanes. If hurricanes become much stronger than rig designs are
normally capable of withstanding, then much larger and more storm
resistant platforms will massively increase capital costs. Ironic
really, since it's now been proven through isotope analysis that the
carbon effect is almost entirely due to human fossil fuel burning
activities rather than other naturally occurring atmospheric carbons
such as volcanoes and forest fires.

--
John Lubran

Bull**** baffles brains

[email protected] wrote:
>Ironic
> really, since it's now been proven through isotope analysis that the
> carbon effect is almost entirely due to human fossil fuel burning
> activities rather than other naturally occurring atmospheric carbons
> such as volcanoes and forest fires.

Where did all the fossil carbon come from originally ?

Steve

[email protected] wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>, JD <[email protected]>
> writes
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone notice the latest announcement tucked away in the back pages?
>>>>>> They've discovered a new oil and gas field in the North Sea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who'd have thought it eh! NOT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bet there'll be a few more 'new' discoveries shortly. Strange how
>>>>>> these new fields have been hidden in plain sight for so long. NOT
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The self centred shallowness of a TV reality generation of pseudo
>>>>>> sophisticates allows bull**** to baffles their brains as easily as
>>>>>> telling 'em black is actually white !
>>>
>>> Well blow me! Just announced from the good ole USA. They've discovered a
>>> huge field that'll reduce their imports by 50%.
>>>
>>> It's good to be correct and even better not to be a cap doffing
>>> respectie of the unworthy establishment and not to be unduly influenced
>>> by the diabolical aplomb of the faux learnedly reasonable. But I bet
>>> these 'new' discoveries aren't over yet, by a long way.
>>
>>This new discovery is in ultra deep water, and at almost record total
>>depth. The actual amount of the discovery is uncertain, and in any case it
>>will be a long time before it is developed, and it will be enormously
>>expensive to develop. Timing of the announcement was determined mainly by
>>US politics. JD
>
>
> Well it's not quite as problematic as that. Venezuela for example has
> had to reach deep into the ocean for it's oil and the Brazilians have
> also been much to the fore in developing deep sea drilling technology
> that's extended considerably beyond that of the North Sea players. Needs
> must as they say. Sure it's more expensive than drilling in the desert,
> why the heck does one suppose they are getting that out of the ground
> first!? But suggestions that deep sea drilling is beyond economic
> viability have not been true for some years now. If there's one issue
> that might still make the American Atlantic offshore reserves
> expensively difficult is the effect climate change is having on
> hurricanes. If hurricanes become much stronger than rig designs are
> normally capable of withstanding, then much larger and more storm
> resistant platforms will massively increase capital costs. Ironic
> really, since it's now been proven through isotope analysis that the
> carbon effect is almost entirely due to human fossil fuel burning
> activities rather than other naturally occurring atmospheric carbons
> such as volcanoes and forest fires.
>
I wasn't saying it was problematic to develop - what I was saying is that it
is right at the edge of technology, and as a result the amount of
recoverable oil (or gas) is very much a guess at this stage. I am familiar
with deep water oil exploration and production, having been in the upstream
oil industry for over forty years, including involvement with pioneering
deep water fields in Australia and the Gulf of Mexico.
JD

steve wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>>Ironic
>> really, since it's now been proven through isotope analysis that the
>> carbon effect is almost entirely due to human fossil fuel burning
>> activities rather than other naturally occurring atmospheric carbons
>> such as volcanoes and forest fires.
>
> Where did all the fossil carbon come from originally ?
>
> Steve
Depends how far back you want to go. The carbon in the sediments that forms
the oil comes from formerly living plants and animals (probably mainly
plants in most cases) that were incorporated in the sediments when they
were formed. But before that, before a number of of cycles through living
organisms and rocks, from the primeval, largely CO2, atmosphere of the
earth (like Venus is now), and ultimately the carbon is believed to have
been formed in the core of early stars.
JD

JD wrote:
But before that, before a number of of cycles through living
> organisms and rocks, from the primeval, largely CO2, atmosphere of the
> earth (like Venus is now), and ultimately the carbon is believed to have
> been formed in the core of early stars.
> JD
That's what I meant. I have a hard time believing that the weight of
carbon in the stuff we have used, and the stuff we know we have, nad the
stuff we haven't found yet weighs only as much as one primordial
atmosphere.

Steve

>>
>> Well it's not quite as problematic as that. Venezuela for example has
>> had to reach deep into the ocean for it's oil and the Brazilians have
>> also been much to the fore in developing deep sea drilling technology
>> that's extended considerably beyond that of the North Sea players. Needs
>> must as they say. Sure it's more expensive than drilling in the desert,
>> why the heck does one suppose they are getting that out of the ground
>> first!? But suggestions that deep sea drilling is beyond economic
>> viability have not been true for some years now. If there's one issue
>> that might still make the American Atlantic offshore reserves
>> expensively difficult is the effect climate change is having on
>> hurricanes. If hurricanes become much stronger than rig designs are
>> normally capable of withstanding, then much larger and more storm
>> resistant platforms will massively increase capital costs. Ironic
>> really, since it's now been proven through isotope analysis that the
>> carbon effect is almost entirely due to human fossil fuel burning
>> activities rather than other naturally occurring atmospheric carbons
>> such as volcanoes and forest fires.
>>
>I wasn't saying it was problematic to develop - what I was saying is that it
>is right at the edge of technology, and as a result the amount of
>recoverable oil (or gas) is very much a guess at this stage. I am familiar
>with deep water oil exploration and production, having been in the upstream
>oil industry for over forty years, including involvement with pioneering
>deep water fields in Australia and the Gulf of Mexico.
>JD



Time marches on JD, Bi-planes evolved into straight winged piston engine
mono-planes which evolved into swept wing jets. The accomplished air
marshals of WW1 nearly left Britain defenceless in WWll because they
took their own case for a generality by asserting the mono plane would
never catch on. The technologies for deep ocean drilling have been well
cracked, and as I said not by the greedy guts western companies who
still have access to loads of cheap to exploit fields but by South
Americans who've had no option but to drill deep for their cut of the
global money scam.

There's no oil shortage per se, by far the bigger problem is burning it
in the atmosphere and the merely selfish wishfulness of the wilfully
ignorant. It's not so bad when such utterances are made by largely
ineffectual tabloid readers whose opinions on anything are only required
to be manipulated every four or five years at the great undemocratic
stitch up called the elections. More diabolical is when utter bollocks
is presented by those who have acquired the sheen of gravitas. Something
akin to subliminal propaganda.

Anyway here's a report from the more intelligent sector of the
community;


'Ten years to climate meltdown' The Press Association Monday September
4, 04:52 PM

A climate change timebomb may be just 10 years away from detonating,
according to the latest global warming evidence.

New data from a deep ice core drilled out of the Antarctic permafrost
reveal a shocking rate of change in carbon dioxide concentrations.

The core, stretching through layers dating back 800,000 years, contains
tiny bubbles of ancient air that can be analysed.

Scientists who studied the samples found they left no doubt as to the
extent of the build-up of greenhouse gases.

For most of the past 800,000 years, carbon dioxide levels had remained
at between 180 and 300 parts per million (ppm) of air. Now they are at
380ppm.

In the past, it had taken 1,000 years for carbon dioxide to rise by
30ppm during natural warming periods. According to the new measurements,
the same level of increase has occurred in just the last 17 years.

Isotopic tests confirmed that the recent carbon dioxide had come from
fossil fuel sources and must be due to human activity.

Dr Eric Wolff, from the British Antarctic Survey, who presented the
findings at the BA Festival of Science in Norwich, said: "The rate of
change is the most scary thing.

"We really are in a situation where something's happening that we don't
have any analogue for in our records.

"It's an experiment we don't know the result of."


--
John Lubran