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Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from coal -
$30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces a clean
diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in oil and not
worry about climate change!
A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of the
UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the worlds
gutters.



 

"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from
> coal - $30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces a
> clean diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in oil
> and not worry about climate change!
> A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
> Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of
> the UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the
> worlds gutters.
>
>
>
Ah! But America has 27% of the worlds coal deposits, so after they've
invaded every country and bled them dry of oil, their still sitting pretty
for the next 200 years.. And since Tony has turned us into the United States
of Britain, wonder if we'll get a share..

It's a great idea in principle, and it'd be fantastic to see BP, buying the
mines and putting people to work, but with this nanny state, it'd be a
health and safety nightmare.

I'm sure someone here will know more than me on this, but during the embargo
with South Africa, they resorted to this in a big way, but it's wasteful the
conversation factor is something silly like 100 tonnes of coal to 50 tonnes
of oil. And some dangerous chemicals are created in the process.


Nigel


 

"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from
> coal - $30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces a
> clean diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in oil
> and not worry about climate change!
> A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
> Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of
> the UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the
> worlds gutters.
>
>
>
Hi

Just found this if anyone's interested in more information.

http://wolf.readinglitho.co.uk/mainpages/introduction.html


Nigel


 
Bear wrote:

>
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from
>> coal - $30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces
>> a clean diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in
>> oil and not worry about climate change!
>> A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
>> Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of
>> the UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the
>> worlds gutters.
>>
>>
>>
> Ah! But America has 27% of the worlds coal deposits, so after they've
> invaded every country and bled them dry of oil, their still sitting pretty
> for the next 200 years.. And since Tony has turned us into the United
> States of Britain, wonder if we'll get a share..
>
> It's a great idea in principle, and it'd be fantastic to see BP, buying
> the mines and putting people to work, but with this nanny state, it'd be a
> health and safety nightmare.
>
> I'm sure someone here will know more than me on this, but during the
> embargo with South Africa, they resorted to this in a big way, but it's
> wasteful the conversation factor is something silly like 100 tonnes of
> coal to 50 tonnes of oil. And some dangerous chemicals are created in the
> process.
>
>
> Nigel

Its not a particularly new process - used by Germany in WW2, but the
economics have always been pretty dubious - and even at $70 oil I suspect
you can only make it work if you make some rather unjustified assumptions
about the cost of mining, and I simply don't believe the $30 figure. (this
from 45 years in the upstream oil business)
JD
 

JD wrote:

> Its not a particularly new process - used by Germany in WW2, but the
> economics have always been pretty dubious - and even at $70 oil I suspect
> you can only make it work if you make some rather unjustified assumptions
> about the cost of mining, and I simply don't believe the $30 figure. (this
> from 45 years in the upstream oil business)
> JD

And you still have a carbon sequestration problem.
Steve

 
[email protected] wrote:

>
> JD wrote:
>
>> Its not a particularly new process - used by Germany in WW2, but the
>> economics have always been pretty dubious - and even at $70 oil I suspect
>> you can only make it work if you make some rather unjustified assumptions
>> about the cost of mining, and I simply don't believe the $30 figure.
>> (this from 45 years in the upstream oil business)
>> JD
>
> And you still have a carbon sequestration problem.
> Steve

Yes, it is a lot worse from the CO2 emission point of view, but you mostly
don't have to go that far - economics kills it except in special
circumstances like in South Africa under the embargo or Germany during the
war.
JD
 
In message <[email protected]>, Bear <[email protected]>
writes
>
>"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from
>> coal - $30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces a
>> clean diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in oil
>> and not worry about climate change!
>> A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
>> Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of
>> the UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the
>> worlds gutters.
>>
>>
>>
>Hi
>
>Just found this if anyone's interested in more information.
>
>http://wolf.readinglitho.co.uk/mainpages/introduction.html
>
>
>Nigel
>
>

That's the trouble with the web sites like that and the Internet, yet
another quasi expert whose gravitas is only really the hypnotic aplomb
of unqualified assertion. Big oil and those other commercial and
industrial sectors conjoined in a demonically symbiotic relationship
have consistently been shown to be pretty dishonest and without social
or moral ethics beyond the pretence of supporting alternative
technologies whilst actually suppressing them. Energy is the biggest
business on the planet, which together with those other symbiotically
involved self interest groups controls over 20% of the entire global
economy. No other sector comes anywhere near or is ultimately so beyond
the control of mere political authority.

These figures constantly being held up as definitive measures of global
oil reserves are easily discredited, just like much of the double talk
that's so easily foisted onto an astonishingly ignorant and narrow
minded populace, you know the ones whose opinions are entirely based on
emotions, wishful thinking, paranoia and parochial knee jerk
incognisence. Did you know that even in the easiest oil exploration
regions on the planet, Saudi Arabia in particular and the Middle East in
general, barely a third of explorable potential has been completed. Or
how about the North Sea? How come the governments of UK and Norway have
withheld exploration licenses for over half of their potential submarine
real estate? It's also generally accepted by experts that the entire
offshore eastern seaboard of the Americas, from Newfoundland to the
Falklands (Get the picture now about that valuable property), is likely
to be sitting on the biggest reserves of all. It seem much more likely
that there's so much oil on the planet that the issue is not so much one
of running out of it but are we really going to burn it all, considering
the ecological danger of releasing so much locked carbon into the
atmosphere? Meantime the oil companies and their symbiotically entwined
partners are enjoying the biggest profits ever generated in history.
Consider the doubling of oil prices when in fact there's not yet been an
actual shortage? How's that for daylight robbery? Haven't noticed any
rationing going on anywhere due to global supply shortages, and your
won't see any either.

--
John Lubran
 

"john" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>, Bear <[email protected]>
> writes
>>
>>"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from
>>> coal - $30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces
>>> a
>>> clean diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in
>>> oil
>>> and not worry about climate change!
>>> A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
>>> Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of
>>> the UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the
>>> worlds gutters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hi
>>
>>Just found this if anyone's interested in more information.
>>
>>http://wolf.readinglitho.co.uk/mainpages/introduction.html
>>
>>
>>Nigel
>>
>>
>
> That's the trouble with the web sites like that and the Internet, yet
> another quasi expert whose gravitas is only really the hypnotic aplomb of
> unqualified assertion. Big oil and those other commercial and industrial
> sectors conjoined in a demonically symbiotic relationship have
> consistently been shown to be pretty dishonest and without social or moral
> ethics beyond the pretence of supporting alternative technologies whilst
> actually suppressing them. Energy is the biggest business on the planet,
> which together with those other symbiotically involved self interest
> groups controls over 20% of the entire global economy. No other sector
> comes anywhere near or is ultimately so beyond the control of mere
> political authority.
>
> These figures constantly being held up as definitive measures of global
> oil reserves are easily discredited, just like much of the double talk
> that's so easily foisted onto an astonishingly ignorant and narrow minded
> populace, you know the ones whose opinions are entirely based on emotions,
> wishful thinking, paranoia and parochial knee jerk incognisence. Did you
> know that even in the easiest oil exploration regions on the planet, Saudi
> Arabia in particular and the Middle East in general, barely a third of
> explorable potential has been completed. Or how about the North Sea? How
> come the governments of UK and Norway have withheld exploration licenses
> for over half of their potential submarine real estate? It's also
> generally accepted by experts that the entire offshore eastern seaboard of
> the Americas, from Newfoundland to the Falklands (Get the picture now
> about that valuable property), is likely to be sitting on the biggest
> reserves of all. It seem much more likely that there's so much oil on the
> planet that the issue is not so much one of running out of it but are we
> really going to burn it all, considering the ecological danger of
> releasing so much locked carbon into the atmosphere? Meantime the oil
> companies and their symbiotically entwined partners are enjoying the
> biggest profits ever generated in history. Consider the doubling of oil
> prices when in fact there's not yet been an actual shortage? How's that
> for daylight robbery? Haven't noticed any rationing going on anywhere due
> to global supply shortages, and your won't see any either.
>
> --
> John Lubran

Got no arguments with you on that.. Maybe that's why this pipe line card
deal is taking so long to set up. Why should any oil company, pay any
attention to a discount scheme, when they can make profits which put small
countries in the shade.

Nigel


 
On or around Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:16:46 +0100, "Peter"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
>Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of the
>UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the worlds
>gutters.
>
>

however, you can thank Aunty Maggie for a bloody sight more coal reserves
under the UK than there would have been otherwise.

Although I grant fully that's not what she had in mind. but the coal's
still there and if it becomes more valuable it'll be no great trouble to
re-open the mines.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to
a great lie than to a small one" Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
from Mein Kampf, Ch 10
 
erm...think again about no great trouble re-opening the mines. I can
categorically state that Polkemmet Colliery (one of the biggest mines in
Scotland at the time) will never be re-opened due to the fact that they
dumped many a thousand tonnes of scrap, steel, concrete & mining equipment
(BRAND NEW i may add) all down the main shafts, topping it off with flooding
the remaining shafts and seams and bulldozing in all the air shafts. For
days on end Tilcon and Trumix had fleets on the go pouring concrete and the
company i worked for were sending out class c mining transformers in 3's on
a flatbed trailer. The drivers reversing up to the shaft opening and pulled
the chocks dumping the 3 x £50K ea. transformers down the shaft. The
respective flooding will have brought down the ceilings and whatever
supports there were will be rust by now and in no state to hold anything up.
Maggie did a good job....she wiped out my home town to the extent where
approx 2500 men and women were jobless and destitute and the impact on the
surrounding communities was devastating. I am sure there will be a few
miners out there who could tell a story or two but i'll give them the
respect and not comment myself.

Wolfie
 
On or around Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:35:21 GMT, [email protected] enlightened us
thusly:

>erm...think again about no great trouble re-opening the mines. I can
>categorically state that Polkemmet Colliery (one of the biggest mines in
>Scotland at the time) will never be re-opened

well, OK, they can dig a new mine into the same coal seam. It's mostly down
to money, though. Most things can be done if it's worth it and coal is only
going to increase in value...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Did you see the report on the TV news concerning the cost of oil from coal -
> $30 a barrel compared with $70 for towelhead oil. And it produces a clean
> diesel. With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in oil and not
> worry about climate change!
> A thriving coal industry, now there's an idea!
> Oh bugger, I forgot, spineless Tony follows aunty Margaret's thinking of the
> UK not producing anything other than B&Bs for the sweepings of the worlds
> gutters.
>
>
>

That's $30 a barrel from a huge open cast mine, not from deep mines!
Plus it involves removing entire mountain ranges.............

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 

beamendsltd wrote:

> That's $30 a barrel from a huge open cast mine, not from deep mines!
> Plus it involves removing entire mountain ranges.............

Bloody mountains always spoil the view from the valleys anyway.
Steve

 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: beamendsltd wrote:
:
: > That's $30 a barrel from a huge open cast mine, not from deep mines!
: > Plus it involves removing entire mountain ranges.............

what do you think the chances of finding coal under Central Birmingham are
;-)

Si


 
In message <[email protected]>
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> beamendsltd wrote:
>
> > That's $30 a barrel from a huge open cast mine, not from deep mines!
> > Plus it involves removing entire mountain ranges.............
>
> Bloody mountains always spoil the view from the valleys anyway.
> Steve
>

Well, true enough, but after the New Orleans fiasco (I see they
still haven't even cleared the streets in the poorer parts of town)
you'd think that even George might have spotted that Mother Nature
isn't a US Citizen ;-)

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
GrnOval wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> : beamendsltd wrote:
> :
> : > That's $30 a barrel from a huge open cast mine, not from deep mines!
> : > Plus it involves removing entire mountain ranges.............
>
> what do you think the chances of finding coal under Central Birmingham are
> ;-)

Probably pretty slim. But I think it's definitely worth looking into.
 
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:16:46 +0100, Peter wrote:

> With our many years of coal we can be self sufficient in oil and not
> worry about climate change!

Eh? Coal is fossil carbon, just like oil and the stuff you don't want to
releasing into the atmosphere. Now if you make your diesel from recently
growing plants rather than ones that died millions of years ago that is
another matter.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:27:10 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:

> never mind the oil crisis, my local Morrison's is selling fuel at 89p a
> litre, last week it was 94p...what's going on here then?

$10 drop in the price of crude in the last 3 weeks? Brent is now below
$70/barrel it was up at $78/barrel. Still fecking expensive, not so long
ago it was <$30/barrel.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
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