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markSX · Jul 13, 2014

wammers said:
Unless he gets his ingredients for nothing and the 20 pence is the running costs per litre of his plant can't see how he does that. Cheaper no doubt but that seems a bit on the low side. Unless he has his electric plugged into a street lamp.

Meths = 45ppl
Oil = mostly free
NAoH = £18 for 25kg

On average I use 1200g of NAoH = £1.66,
30L of meths (I don't de-meth) = £13.50
so £15.16 for a 180L batch, of which I get around 160L of bio = 9.4ppl for chemicals.
allowing 10ppl for oil (remember I get most for free but pay up to 20ppl for the rest).

My setup is at a mates workshop, no rent, not charged for leccy, I put a fare bit of work his way.

20ppl of bio is probably a little higher than it actually is but I do have to take into account fuel used during collections and to and from the workshop.

wammers · Jul 13, 2014

markSX said:
Meths = 45ppl
Oil = mostly free
NAoH = £18 for 25kg

On average I use 1200g of NAoH = £1.66,
30L of meths (I don't de-meth) = £13.50
so £15.16 for a 180L batch, of which I get around 160L of bio = 9.4ppl for chemicals.
allowing 10ppl for oil (remember I get most for free but pay up to 20ppl for the rest).

My setup is at a mates workshop, no rent, not charged for leccy, I put a fare bit of work his way.

20ppl of bio is probably a little higher than it actually is but I do have to take into account fuel used during collections and to and from the workshop.

So technically you do get your leccy from a lamp post.

Datatek · Jul 14, 2014

Meths

Only ever seen Methanol used.

wammers · Jul 14, 2014

Datatek said:
Meths Only ever seen Methanol used.

Think that is what he may mean Keith.

markSX · Jul 14, 2014

wammers said:
Think that is what he may mean Keith.

Yes, methanol.

You seam to know a bit about bio production, do you make your own ?

wammers · Jul 14, 2014

markSX said:
Yes, methanol.

You seam to know a bit about bio production, do you make your own ?

No, considered it at one time though. That's as far as it goes.

Datatek · Jul 15, 2014

markSX said:
Yes, methanol.

You seam to know a bit about bio production, do you make your own ?

Illegal to use here in France and not cost effective. Impossible to obtain used veg oil.

digby · Jul 17, 2014

diesel here (63) is € 1.30 still

Although paid € 1.25 close to Beziers last weekend

Datatek · Jul 17, 2014

digby said:
diesel here (63) is 1.30 still

Although paid 1.25 close to Beziers last weekend

Lucky where I am (86/79), price seems lower than much of France.

TCubed · Jul 18, 2014

Datatek said:
Illegal to use here in France and not cost effective. Impossible to obtain used veg oil.

What's the reasoning for it being illegal?

MrNasty · Jul 18, 2014

So what are the legalities of running on veg, as I remember some guy in Suffolk got stopped by the Gestapo VOSA people and he received a fine for not paying duty, I don't personally like diesels so I did not pay much attention to the story, but can they come after you for not paying duty?

tomcat59alan · Jul 18, 2014

MrNasty said:
So what are the legalities of running on veg, as I remember some guy in Suffolk got stopped by the Gestapo VOSA people and he received a fine for not paying duty, I don't personally like diesels so I did not pay much attention to the story, but can they come after you for not paying duty?

Think there is a personal use volume you can use before you come liable for duty. Then again I might have dreamt it

Datatek · Jul 18, 2014

TCubed said:
What's the reasoning for it being illegal?

Probably the difficulty in collecting the tax.

TCubed · Jul 18, 2014

Datatek said:
Probably the difficulty in collecting the tax.

Suspected as much

Datatek · Jul 18, 2014

TCubed said:
Suspected as much

It's a pain as there is a bio refinery about 10Km from me.

markSX · Jul 18, 2014

In the UK we have a 2500L per year allowance, this was introduced a few years ago due to the cost of collecting the duty on veg/bio used in road going vehicles.

tomcat59alan · Jul 19, 2014

markSX said:
In the UK we have a 2500L per year allowance, this was introduced a few years ago due to the cost of collecting the duty on veg/bio used in road going vehicles.

So I didn't dream it :banana:

markSX · Jul 19, 2014

tomcat59alan said:
So I didn't dream it

No, not a dream at all.
The 2500L allowance is per household and covers new veg oil, waste veg oil and biodiesel.
The cheapest way is run dewatered and filtered used veg, however this is only good for a Bosch pumped non common rail engine, preferably an indirect injection but some run their 200/300tdi's on it.
td5's are bio only.
Not sure about the 2.5d and td though.

TCubed · Jul 19, 2014

markSX said:
In the UK we have a 2500L per year allowance, this was introduced a few years ago due to the cost of collecting the duty on veg/bio used in road going vehicles.

How is that policed? Do you have to log and provide evidence of the amount you've used? Or is it just assumed that nobody will cross it unless it's obvious?

Datatek · Jul 20, 2014

TCubed said:
How is that policed? Do you have to log and provide evidence of the amount you've used? Or is it just assumed that nobody will cross it unless it's obvious?

I guess they reckon that covers more than most people will use in a year, modern car say 8 litres per 100Km gives over 30K kilometres per year, less if you run a Rangie, more if you run a 206 diesel.

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