Woes of my Disco

Hi all,

Oh well last night at 11:45p.m. (Friday) I wandered outside to check the
Disco. All was well but I wanted to just check the gear lock was on so I
wandered inside for ten seconds to get the keys, anyway some local lads
walked past the Discovery and kicked off the wing mirror (not knocked,
kicked off completely). I flew up the road (I didn't see which one of the
four did it but I knew one of them had done it as I heard it). I asked why
they had just kicked off my wing mirror, one of them backed off and this
drunk lad of about 20 asked how the F*** I could prove that the wing mirror
lying on the floor was his fault. Anyway he precedded to stand an inch from
my face and call me a prick, shouting his head off. I asessed the situation
and reckoned four lads in their 20's was pushing it against me on my own. I
could see which house they were going into. I said "Lets let the Police
handle this".

I walked back across the road and called The Police, they said be there
within the hour. I went outside to pick the wing mirror up and gather the
mirror that was snapped. as well, Anyway the mouthy one came over on his own
as his mates decided they wanted to back off, he started shouting and
mouthing off. I was getting wound up and he continued to shout abuse, (he
broke a wing mirror of my neighbours a while ago and so I was already
watching out for him, Police refused to take action even though I saw him do
it). Anyway I was beginning to get to the end of my tether and he started
saying he was going to fight me. My wife came out at that point as I think
she was worried I was going to kill him.

I looked at him and said mate forget it, let the Police handle it. He walked
off.

Police arrived I gave them all the details, detailed threatening and abusive
behaviour and guess what "We don't want to arrest him, even for threatening
and abusive behaviour." They commented they knew who he was and that they
knew he had more than likely done it but couldn't prove it as I hadn't seen
him, hearing is not good enough, so they sat in my house for an hour and
walked away.

I commented that I should have taken matters into my own hands to the Police
and they said "Well you would get more satisfaction from that than the CPS."

So the moral dilemma is - when I see him next in the street, which I do on a
daily basis (he crosses the road away from me when he is on his own) do I
drop him into a back alley and play a tune on his face?

I came out this morning and the other wing mirror was bent back but not
broken - obviously making a point.

So, I have a spare complete mirror but not a clip inside, black square thing
with two clips the mirror goes into - anyone got one? I will pay for the
item and postage, need it by Tuesday preferably. Im in Hartlepool UK,
vehicle is Disco 2.5 TDI, 1993 with the newer shape mirrors (electric.
heated.). Not the movement assembly but the little clip goes on top of that.

I am soooooooooooo mad still even though it is 24 hours later.

Andrew

andrew"at"preaching.co.uk

Andrew Renshaw wrote:

>
> So, I have a spare complete mirror but not a clip inside, black square thing
> with two clips the mirror goes into - anyone got one? I will pay for the
> item and postage, need it by Tuesday preferably. Im in Hartlepool UK,
> vehicle is Disco 2.5 TDI, 1993 with the newer shape mirrors (electric.
> heated.). Not the movement assembly but the little clip goes on top of that.
>

I'll take a look at the one I pick up tomorrow if it helps.

> I am soooooooooooo mad still even though it is 24 hours later.

Well, WWJD ?

Steve

The bastards only do it because they know they can get away with it.

Like the scum who broke into my series the other day. I probably walk by
them on the street and have no idea who they are, they on the other hand are
probably well aware of me and have been watching the work I have been doing.

My next vehicle will be a tank.


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"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew.hart.i hate [email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> Oh well last night at 11:45p.m. (Friday) I wandered outside to check the
> Disco. All was well but I wanted to just check the gear lock was on so I
> wandered inside for ten seconds to get the keys, anyway some local lads
> walked past the Discovery and kicked off the wing mirror (not knocked,
> kicked off completely). I flew up the road (I didn't see which one of the
> four did it but I knew one of them had done it as I heard it). I asked why
> they had just kicked off my wing mirror, one of them backed off and this
> drunk lad of about 20 asked how the F*** I could prove that the wing
mirror
> lying on the floor was his fault. Anyway he precedded to stand an inch
from
> my face and call me a prick, shouting his head off. I asessed the
situation
> and reckoned four lads in their 20's was pushing it against me on my own.
I
> could see which house they were going into. I said "Lets let the Police
> handle this".
>
> I walked back across the road and called The Police, they said be there
> within the hour. I went outside to pick the wing mirror up and gather the
> mirror that was snapped. as well, Anyway the mouthy one came over on his
own
> as his mates decided they wanted to back off, he started shouting and
> mouthing off. I was getting wound up and he continued to shout abuse, (he
> broke a wing mirror of my neighbours a while ago and so I was already
> watching out for him, Police refused to take action even though I saw him
do
> it). Anyway I was beginning to get to the end of my tether and he started
> saying he was going to fight me. My wife came out at that point as I think
> she was worried I was going to kill him.
>
> I looked at him and said mate forget it, let the Police handle it. He
walked
> off.
>
> Police arrived I gave them all the details, detailed threatening and
abusive
> behaviour and guess what "We don't want to arrest him, even for
threatening
> and abusive behaviour." They commented they knew who he was and that they
> knew he had more than likely done it but couldn't prove it as I hadn't
seen
> him, hearing is not good enough, so they sat in my house for an hour and
> walked away.
>
> I commented that I should have taken matters into my own hands to the
Police
> and they said "Well you would get more satisfaction from that than the
CPS."
>
> So the moral dilemma is - when I see him next in the street, which I do on
a
> daily basis (he crosses the road away from me when he is on his own) do I
> drop him into a back alley and play a tune on his face?
>
> I came out this morning and the other wing mirror was bent back but not
> broken - obviously making a point.
>
> So, I have a spare complete mirror but not a clip inside, black square
thing
> with two clips the mirror goes into - anyone got one? I will pay for the
> item and postage, need it by Tuesday preferably. Im in Hartlepool UK,
> vehicle is Disco 2.5 TDI, 1993 with the newer shape mirrors (electric.
> heated.). Not the movement assembly but the little clip goes on top of
that.
>
> I am soooooooooooo mad still even though it is 24 hours later.
>
> Andrew
>
> andrew"at"preaching.co.uk
>
>

Steve Taylor wrote:
>
> Well, WWJD ?
>
> Steve

Turn the other cheek, according to what I have read. And then something
about heaping coals of fire on his testicles. Praps I read that bit wrong.

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On or around Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:58:57 GMT, "Andrew Renshaw" <andrew.hart.i
hate [email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>So, I have a spare complete mirror but not a clip inside, black square thing
>with two clips the mirror goes into - anyone got one? I will pay for the
>item and postage, need it by Tuesday preferably. Im in Hartlepool UK,
>vehicle is Disco 2.5 TDI, 1993 with the newer shape mirrors (electric.
>heated.). Not the movement assembly but the little clip goes on top of that.

the black square clippy thing between the mirror glass and the mechanism is
suprisingly cheap from main dealers, ISTR when we needed one for a broken
mirror. Van coming the other way, in our case.

Had virtually the same when my son was assaulted by the local Amoeba's,
sorry sir can't do a thing. They did arrest them for abusive behaviour to
the police though.
I simply put another grudge in my book to be dealt with in the future when
things are quiet and said prick will be on his own in the dark somewhere
quiet. Amazing how these ar...es lack the courage of their supporters. Just
ensure a totally watertaut alibi and enjoy the task at hand.
I never beleived in vigilanty law until I lived in the Uk for some time and
I suspect that although it does'nt get much press it is rampant as good
honest folk deal with their problems.

Neighbours of ours were driving locally when an idiot threw beer at the
windscreen, Al got out and asked politly that the screen be cleaned, abuse
ensued along with a knife, trouble is Al and his mate were coming back from
a Kick boxing session ( 25 years experience each ) where they hire the room
for an hour and kick the s..t out of each other for fun .... !!!
Not being in a concilliatory mood Al's mate who is just on 5 - 10 had words
with idiot and after idiot landed on floor twice ( 2nd time for good ) they
got back in car and drove off before the audience got official, they have'nt
heard a word since. I would have given a right arm to have seen it.

> Turn the other cheek, according to what I have read. And then something
> about heaping coals of fire on his testicles. Praps I read that bit
wrong.

In news:[email protected],
Hirsty's <[email protected]> blithered:
> Had virtually the same when my son was assaulted by the local
> Amoeba's, sorry sir can't do a thing. They did arrest them for
> abusive behaviour to the police though.
> I simply put another grudge in my book to be dealt with in the future
> when things are quiet and said prick will be on his own in the dark
> somewhere quiet. Amazing how these ar...es lack the courage of their
> supporters. Just ensure a totally watertaut alibi and enjoy the task
> at hand.
> I never beleived in vigilanty law until I lived in the Uk for some
> time and I suspect that although it does'nt get much press it is
> rampant as good honest folk deal with their problems.
>
> Neighbours of ours were driving locally when an idiot threw beer at
> the windscreen, Al got out and asked politly that the screen be
> cleaned, abuse ensued along with a knife, trouble is Al and his mate
> were coming back from a Kick boxing session ( 25 years experience
> each ) where they hire the room for an hour and kick the s..t out of
> each other for fun .... !!!
> Not being in a concilliatory mood Al's mate who is just on 5 - 10 had
> words with idiot and after idiot landed on floor twice ( 2nd time for
> good ) they got back in car and drove off before the audience got
> official, they have'nt heard a word since. I would have given a right
> arm to have seen it.

Suggest you get Al's mate to have a wee word with your 'friend', unless you want
to enjoy it yourself.

>
>> Turn the other cheek, according to what I have read. And then
>> something about heaping coals of fire on his testicles. Praps I
>> read that bit wrong.



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"Andrew Renshaw" <andrew.hart.i hate [email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Police arrived I gave them all the details, detailed threatening and
> abusive behaviour and guess what "We don't want to arrest him, even for
> threatening and abusive behaviour."

They don't have a lawful power to arrest **after** the incident for Section
5 of the public order act (Threatening abusive insultive words or
behabiour), however, that doesn't stop them from interviewing him and if
there is evidence to support reporting him for summons to court then he
should be so reported. Quite a few bobbies either overlook this avenue. They
don't have to arrest him to interview him.

That said the CPS won't run a case if it's unlikely to stand a chance. Thats
the truth of the matter and yes it's leaves a bitter taste. I can only guess
it's to free up the system from backlogs of minor cases to allow more
serious cases or cases where evidence is overwhelming to proceed, the sad
truth.

In your case I'd say there would be a good chance if your wife and any other
neighbours made a statement regards the behaviour, ultimately thats a
decission for yourselves to make.

However in the case of the damage while you are probably right about the
culprit there is no hard evidence as you have already highlighted so that
side of things looks like a none starter, however the officers CAN interview
the male about it and the officers COULD arrest him of suspicion of causing
the damage in the circumastances but thats down to the discretion of the
officer. They don't **have** to arrest him to interview him. It would be
highly unlikely to proceed to court unless the youth suddenly coughed the
lot. By not being charged or summonsed he may feel he has "won" the battle,
it could put the wind up his sails, or it could prompt further damage etc
etc.

None of the above prevents you taking your own civil action against the
youth were the standard of proof is "On the balance of probabilities" rather
than in criminal courts "Beyond all reasonable doubt", I don't do civil
stuff... I'm sure theres someone else here who does though.

Likewise if it's an ongoing issue it may be worth speaking with the local
Community beat officer around anti social behaviour orders. Your incident
could be one of many that would support an order against this youth. a case
of United we stand if you get the drift.

I only know what you've posted, so after reading this it may give you a good
footing for contacting the officers supervision to ""review"" the situation.

This is intended to help you progress the matter, it's my last post on this
thread before any flames get pointed this way.

HTH

Lee D

Lee_D wrote:

> None of the above prevents you taking your own civil action against the
> youth were the standard of proof is "On the balance of probabilities" rather
> than in criminal courts "Beyond all reasonable doubt", I don't do civil
> stuff... I'm sure theres someone else here who does though.

What would help though is if the police were more helpful with
"forensics", like finding out if the mirror is covered with the
offenders prints or not, but I doubt if they will, for what is dismissed
as a "civil" matter.

Steve

Remember of course, that whilst the Police won't lift a finger to assist
you, should Natural Justice come into play, you will be hit with the full
force of the law!


"Steve Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lee_D wrote:
>
> > None of the above prevents you taking your own civil action against the
> > youth were the standard of proof is "On the balance of probabilities"
rather
> > than in criminal courts "Beyond all reasonable doubt", I don't do civil
> > stuff... I'm sure theres someone else here who does though.
>
> What would help though is if the police were more helpful with
> "forensics", like finding out if the mirror is covered with the
> offenders prints or not, but I doubt if they will, for what is dismissed
> as a "civil" matter.
>
> Steve

Well of course, how silly of you we must be civilised.

I suspect that there is already considerable natural justice going on
already but it is not reported for fear of encouraging the poor sods who
seem to have no other choice. !!!!
Seems the worst thing to be in this country is - in the right , paying for
your own stuff, abiding by the " law ", and a bit old fashioned believing
that what you worked for is actually yours.

I'm all for personal liberty of any sort so long as I don't have to support
it or be affected by it.



> Remember of course, that whilst the Police won't lift a finger to assist
> you, should Natural Justice come into play, you will be hit with the full
> force of the law!
>

>

On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 21:58:57 GMT, "Andrew Renshaw" <andrew.hart.i hate
[email protected]> wrote:

>So the moral dilemma is - when I see him next in the street, which I do on a
>daily basis (he crosses the road away from me when he is on his own) do I
>drop him into a back alley and play a tune on his face?

Why stop there? A good kicking should only be the start really IMO.
I'd simply put it in my diary to cut off a finger every Friday until
he decides to move out of the area. Then make a list of all his mates
and pick bits off their bodies, slowly, over a period of time. While
you're at it, make a list of everyone who parks on a pavement and take
a razor blade to the cheeks of their arse - word'll soon get around,
crime levels will drop significantly. I don't s'pose you could take a
pop at the chav down the road who hasn't mowed his lawn this year
could you?

On a more serious note, I usually find that drunken ****s generally
tend to be less ****tish if you confront them whilst sober. Keeping
you voice calm, and low* - ask him what he intends to do to compensate
you for your loss. Look him in the eye while talking to him, don't be
threatening or intimidating, just assertive. Don't get into 'you did
this or that', simply accept it in your mind as fact, and ask him to
propose a solution to the problem.

I'm not sure I'd risk 'doing time' for some lowlife and the cost of a
replacement mirror...

* I usually find the quieter you speak, the greater the psychological
effect.


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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:26:22 +0100, Steve Taylor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What would help though is if the police were more helpful with
>"forensics", like finding out if the mirror is covered with the
>offenders prints or not

Footprints?

On or around Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:14:19 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>
>* I usually find the quieter you speak, the greater the psychological
>effect.

oh yes. Ranting only serves to make you look a prat, even if yer in the
right.

The Man Charnock had it right, as so many other things motoring:

<<If forced to a halt and apprehended, in flagrante delicto as it were, by
one's victim there is only one dignified course of action open to one; sit
quite still and say "I'm really very sorry". He will then proceed to
"create" as the vernacular has it until such time as shortage of breath
brings a pause. It is then your cue to remark, "I'm very sorry". This will
start him off again and soon you will be able to interject mildly "I'm
sorry." Gradually the patient's efforts will flag as his vocabulary runs
short, his pulse and blood pressure will return to normal until, after a few
faltering spasms in which he begins to repeat previous epithets (a sure sign
it's nearly over) he realises what a damn fool he is making of himself. You
can then lead him back to his car and, with a few nicely chosen words of
advice, send him on his way. You have thus, by your dignified demeanour,
made a valuable contribution to road safety, and helped the other chap to a
less irascible outlook. Not until he gets home will he realise that he was
in the right all along, and then it will be too late.>>

In news:[email protected],
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> blithered:
> On or around Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:14:19 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
> @"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> * I usually find the quieter you speak, the greater the psychological
>> effect.
>
> oh yes. Ranting only serves to make you look a prat, even if yer in
> the right.
>
> The Man Charnock had it right, as so many other things motoring:
>
> <<If forced to a halt and apprehended, in flagrante delicto as it
> were, by one's victim there is only one dignified course of action
> open to one; sit quite still and say "I'm really very sorry". He
> will then proceed to "create" as the vernacular has it until such
> time as shortage of breath brings a pause. It is then your cue to
> remark, "I'm very sorry". This will start him off again and soon you
> will be able to interject mildly "I'm sorry." Gradually the
> patient's efforts will flag as his vocabulary runs short, his pulse
> and blood pressure will return to normal until, after a few faltering
> spasms in which he begins to repeat previous epithets (a sure sign
> it's nearly over) he realises what a damn fool he is making of
> himself. You can then lead him back to his car and, with a few
> nicely chosen words of advice, send him on his way. You have thus,
> by your dignified demeanour, made a valuable contribution to road
> safety, and helped the other chap to a less irascible outlook. Not
> until he gets home will he realise that he was in the right all
> along, and then it will be too late.>>


I'm terribly terribly sorry, but you seem to have me confused with someone WGAS!

Often they're so confusticated by you apologising they quite forget what they are
ranting about and to listen to the end of your sentence!

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