Will Wolfs Fit?

jamesmartin said:

yes tap out and tap in ,studs are splined

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Thanks. Never been called upon to do that.

Ok so they fit that's good. I used to have a Disco 2 so hence my confusion about PCD. Thank you one and all for the replies its much appreciated.

Retroanaconda said:

Said expert would also have to explain that many hundreds of Land Rovers have been sold by them with the heavy duty (Wolf) wheel package and with them fitted on the standard studs. It’s not a problem - stop trying to make it into one.

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Ill try what I like on a public forum thank you very much, unless you've got the authority to tell me otherwise?
If it's not a problem, why do they sell longer studs?

Discokids said:

But to contradict your theory, which I must say I don't entirely disagree with, Land Rover manufacture and sell a specific stud primarily for these wheels, so if for instance, somebody is driving along and loses a wolf wheel, for whatever reason, and it just happens to kill somebody, when that driver is stood in court there is going to be a specialist brought in probably from lr to give evidence as to any issue affecting the reason the wheel came off, and they're going to stand there and say 'yes, these wheels are supplied by Land Rover but we also supply extended studs with which to secure them to the vehicle'.

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They may well do so, but the fact is it never has and will never happen, you could say the same for anything you fit, fix or modify your self, all these modified vehicles driving around that were modified my an untrained, inexperienced person on their driveway whose only knowledge of what they are doing is what they have read on forums like this one, who may or may not fully understand what they are doing in the first place and the consequences they face when what they are doing goes horribly wrong, I have seen advice being dished out on these forums for years that is pretty much nonsense based on little or no facts and is basically the opinion of someone who is untrained, inexperienced and sometimes just plain stupid.
Don't get me wrong , there arse some very knowledgeable people on here, James springs to mind (bit of arse licking there James) but there are also some folk who really shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a tool box never mind the working of a motor vehicle.

Well , that went off on a bit of a tangent, so , back to the original question , Wolf wheels are perfectly safe and legal on small studs so long as you tighten them up properly, if you cant do that get a garage to do it for you.

Discokids said:

Ill try what I like on a public forum thank you very much, unless you've got the authority to tell me otherwise?
If it's not a problem, why do they sell longer studs?

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Why don't you phone them up and ask them? Wouldn't hurt.

nobber said:

Why don't you phone them up and ask them? Wouldn't hurt.

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Because I don't actually care, that's why.
It's a personal preference I suppose, I just wanted the op to be aware that when he fits them he might get a surprise looking at the nuts. Me, I'll be buying and fitting the longer studs.
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I saw a Heritage 90 the other day, Wolf wheels and short studs, if Land Rover were selling them with short studs they must be happy with them.
Do a Google etc search for Heritage 90 and look at the wheels, all the one's I have seen so far have short studs.
Not trying to be smart, just an observation.

I wish my chassis looked like that!

Discokids said:

Because I don't actually care, that's why.
It's a personal preference I suppose, I just wanted the op to be aware that when he fits them he might get a surprise looking at the nuts. Me, I'll be buying and fitting the longer studs.
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How tight do you need to do them up to get one and a half threads sticking out the end?

Jam1 said:

How tight do you need to do them up to get one and a half threads sticking out the end?

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Don't think there's a scaffold tube long enough

Jam1 said:

How tight do you need to do them up to get one and a half threads sticking out the end?

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Tight enough to widen out the holes on the actual wheels with the wheel nuts, you know when you over tighten and you hear a crack? Tighter than that.

I do mine to 170nm. I use a torque wrench cuz it’s as easy to get to as the breaker bar is. It’s surprising how untight the nuts feel compared to how tight I would murder them up with a breaker bar!
I have a link somewhere to the mod bulletin thing. I’ll see if I can find it....

Rich

Seems the link I have is dead. The recommended torque is still 170nm though (or til it creaks!)

Rich

callisr said:

I do mine to 170nm. I use a torque wrench cuz it’s as easy to get to as the breaker bar is. It’s surprising how untight the nuts feel compared to how tight I would murder them up with a breaker bar!
I have a link somewhere to the mod bulletin thing. I’ll see if I can find it....

Rich

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That's the thing , when you murder them up you run the risk of damaging the wheels, nuts or studs, no need to have them way too tight.

Discokids said:

If I shot somebody in the face because I thought they were a terrorist, saying 'but the army do it' wouldn't excuse my behaviour so the fact that some squaddies just use a longer scaffold tube doesn't satisfy me. It amazes me that something can be designed to do a job, then not only reduced in size but have the load on its reduced size increased.
Like the police force for instance.

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That’s so ridiculous a comparison it actually made me laugh out loud!

flat said:

That’s so ridiculous a comparison it actually made me laugh out loud!

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I try my best

Discokids said:

I try my best

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Top marks for effort there

I like the argument that since LR sell the longer studs it would be prudent to fit them, but its completely undermined by the photos of LR Heritage vehicles with short studs. I think the most usefull thing would be a polite letter to LF Heritage asking for a copy of the Certificate of Conformity for the wheels and studs and see what comes back. Either nothing (most likely) or a cert saying its ok, or they change them? I wonder?

I had exactly the same question when I wanted to fit wolf wheels to my 1985 110 (V8 Csw), so I asked my mate. This chap worked for 30 odd years in a research environment as a precision engineer +, the + bit being that he would design and make stuff to enable precision engineers to make stuff, if you see what I mean.
Anyway he was meant to be rather good at it, so I asked his opinion.
Reply as far as I remember was that ordinary original manufacturer stuff was in reality rather rough and ready, no matter how well they claimed to be making whatever.
As far as fitting wheel nuts, as long as all mating faces were clean of bulky contaminents (grains of sand/mud/rust whatever) then nuts that held the same or greater length of thread as the max dia of the thread on the stud would be well within safety limits. Maybe give them 10% more torque than normal,but no more than that.
Basically, just get on with it. That advice was for me to follow if I chose to do so. If you want to do the same then so be it.

As for the comments above about the military not bothering to change studs when fitting wolf wheels, I can't believe they didn't at least phone LR during a quiet moment and ask if it would work out.

I imagine that someone at the MOD picked up the phone and had a chat with Land Rover about stud length before ordering thousands of Wolf wheels to retro-fit to their fleet.
Perhaps the longer studs are more of an issue for 130's, particularly those plated at over 31/2 tonnes such as ambulances.