Wikipedia definitions of Landrovers

Ian Rawlings wrote:

> On 2006-06-11, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Having very nearly got the entire post 1986 parts catalogue on the site
>> I'd have to say that the distintion between "90", "110" and "Defender"
>> is utterly pointless
>
> .. from a technical point of view. The 90/110 marked the end of the
> series trucks and the Defender introduced one of the most famous
> brands that the UK has, the 90/110 was the bridge between the two,
> from the past to the point we're at today. Personally I prefer a
> timeline to present things in the correct order as well, so the
> lightweights and the 101FCs etc being mentioned at the end seemed a
> little odd.
>
>> - the only thing that changes at the appropriate
>> VIN numbers is the decals. Td5's are *far* more of a disctinct model
>> change but no one worries about that!
>
> Aren't there differences in the engine and brakes between the 90/110
> and the Defender?
>

Unless I am mistaken the Defender was marked by the introduction of the Tdi
engine, but the rear discs came a few months later.
JD

In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 2006-06-11, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Having very nearly got the entire post 1986 parts catalogue on the site
> > I'd have to say that the distintion between "90", "110" and "Defender"
> > is utterly pointless
>
> .. from a technical point of view. The 90/110 marked the end of the
> series trucks and the Defender introduced one of the most famous
> brands that the UK has, the 90/110 was the bridge between the two,
> from the past to the point we're at today. Personally I prefer a
> timeline to present things in the correct order as well, so the
> lightweights and the 101FCs etc being mentioned at the end seemed a
> little odd.
>
> > - the only thing that changes at the appropriate
> > VIN numbers is the decals. Td5's are *far* more of a disctinct model
> > change but no one worries about that!
>
> Aren't there differences in the engine and brakes between the 90/110
> and the Defender?
>

Not really - "Defender" came in towrads the end of the Turbo Diesel,
when the 200Tdi came out the 90 aquired the same front brakes as
the 110 had had from early on. I was taken for a test drive in a
2.5TD emblazened with the then "all new" Defender badging by
a rather cynical salesman from Whadam-Stringer in Waterlooville.
He made a point of pointing out that nothing major had changed
on this "new" model. I've no idea if it was true, but he blamed
European consumer legislation requiring more than just a number
for the change. Incidently, I can see no reason for supposing that
the Defender name was thought up "in a bar in down-town Boston"
as is always claimed - Defender was not for sale in the US,
and was not going to be, and why the hell would anyone be in
Boston discussing it anyway!

Most of the major changes pre-Td5 happened in 1986 (push button
doors etc) with the launch of the 90 - hence the separate parts book.
If the badging had changed at that point there would have been a good
reason.
After that, apart from trim colours, changes don't really happen
in big jumps - they are more evolutionary rather than revolutionary.
Even the 300Tdi change only affects the drive train and any parts
necessary for the installation of such. 110 Rear discs come in on late
200Tdi's - the parts books don't give a start number, but the
rear wheel cylinders go to the end of KA VINs, so it would appear
that 200Tdi 110's had rear discs (or the option of perhaps) for
about a year.

The parts book also throws up some rather surprising current models
around the world - the 2.5P and 3.5V8 Carb would appear to both be
still in production somewhere, the 2.5D struggled on to WA159806
(the introduction of the Td5).

Sorry to go on a bit, but I've just had a dick-head biker trying
to kill himself in front of me again (we get all the organ-donors
coming to this area when the sun shines) - overtaking over a
continuous white line, on a sharp right-hand bend with traffic
comming the other way and then being surprised when eveyone else
had to slam their brakes on and get cross with him........

Richard

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On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Mark Solesbury schreef:
>> Just in case! Interesting all the same.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
>>
>>
>Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
>4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.

ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Once, when the secrets of science were the jealously guarded property of
a small priesthood, the common man had no hope of mastering their arcane
complexities. Years of study in musty classrooms were prerequisite to
obtaining even a dim, incoherent knowledge of science.
Today, all that has changed: a dim, incoherent knowledge of science is
available to anyone. - Tom Weller, Science Made Stupid, 1986

On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:56:27 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-06-11, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Having very nearly got the entire post 1986 parts catalogue on the site
>> I'd have to say that the distintion between "90", "110" and "Defender"
>> is utterly pointless
>
>.. from a technical point of view. The 90/110 marked the end of the
>series trucks and the Defender introduced one of the most famous
>brands that the UK has, the 90/110 was the bridge between the two,
>from the past to the point we're at today.

If you're into marketing. Defender got a name so that it fitted in with the
other motors with names, AFAIK, when the disco was launched or soon after.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Once, when the secrets of science were the jealously guarded property of
a small priesthood, the common man had no hope of mastering their arcane
complexities. Years of study in musty classrooms were prerequisite to
obtaining even a dim, incoherent knowledge of science.
Today, all that has changed: a dim, incoherent knowledge of science is
available to anyone. - Tom Weller, Science Made Stupid, 1986

On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:18:43 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Hans de Ruiter <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mark Solesbury schreef:
>> > Just in case! Interesting all the same.
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
>> >
>> >
>> Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
>> 4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
>
>That's right, I believe - specifically for the Belgain Militray
>Police for airfield duties, so I'm told by someone who tends
>to know these things.


and called "Minerva".
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"The boys are dreaming wicked or of the bucking ranches of the night and
the jollyrodgered sea." Dylan Thomas (1914 - 1953) Under milk wood

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Mark Solesbury schreef:
>>> Just in case! Interesting all the same.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
>>>
>>>
>> Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
>> 4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
>
> ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!

Belgian?

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Mark Solesbury schreef:
>>
>>>Just in case! Interesting all the same.
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
>>4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
>
>
> ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!

Language, Timothy!

On 2006-06-11, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> and called "Minerva".

According to the following link;

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~lloyd/4/Minerva/LandRover/

... they were less called "Minerva" as made by a company called Minerva
from knocked-down kits from Blighty. In return we get the chocolates,
a fair trade I think.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

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Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:18:43 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >In message <[email protected]>
> > Hans de Ruiter <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Mark Solesbury schreef:
> >> > Just in case! Interesting all the same.
> >> >
> >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
> >> 4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
> >
> >That's right, I believe - specifically for the Belgain Militray
> >Police for airfield duties, so I'm told by someone who tends
> >to know these things.
>
>
> and called "Minerva".

The Minerva was a home-built Series I(?), the 4x2's were "standard"
Land Rovers. The Minerva should have a mention though, made in Germany
& Belgium if I remember right - they were steel bodied (at least in
part) and had sloping front wings sort of like the UMM

Richard

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Srtgray wrote:
> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
> > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >
> >>Mark Solesbury schreef:
> >>
> >>>Just in case! Interesting all the same.
> >>>
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
> >>4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
> >
> >
> > ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!

>
> Language, Timothy!

Judge not lest ye be judged! I pride myself on pedantry in the use of
English, but my typping often lets me dwon even when I know how to spel
acyourately. I'm often ashamed that many non Brits (including my
Malaysian/Chinese wife) speak more accurate English than many Brits.
I'd recommend the book "Eats, shoots and leaves" for a humorous
diatribe on the abuse of English. It contains many wonderful but
little known facts. Did you know that redundant semicolons used to be
shipped abroad to be broken down and then returned to England to be
reused as full stops and commas?

Regards,
Arthur

On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:47:33 +0200, Srtgray
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Mark Solesbury schreef:
>>>
>>>>Just in case! Interesting all the same.
>>>>
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
>>>4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
>>
>>
>> ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!
>
>Language, Timothy!

glad to see people are on the ball.
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"There is plenty of time to win this game, and to thrash the Spaniards
too" Sir Francis Drake (1540? - 1596) Attr. saying when the Armarda was
sighted, 20th July 1588

ArthurC wrote:
> Srtgray wrote:
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>>On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
>>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mark Solesbury schreef:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Just in case! Interesting all the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
>>>>4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
>>>
>>>
>>>ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!
>
>
>>Language, Timothy!
>
>
> Judge not lest ye be judged! I pride myself on pedantry in the use of
> English, but my typping often lets me dwon even when I know how to spel
> acyourately. I'm often ashamed that many non Brits (including my
> Malaysian/Chinese wife) speak more accurate English than many Brits.
> I'd recommend the book "Eats, shoots and leaves" for a humorous
> diatribe on the abuse of English. It contains many wonderful but
> little known facts. Did you know that redundant semicolons used to be
> shipped abroad to be broken down and then returned to England to be
> reused as full stops and commas?
>
> Regards,
> Arthur
>
None of my semicolons are redundant; I frequently use them.

Stuart

(BTW, for the sitcom challenged, Austin was quoting the radio edition of
Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and I was quoting Sorry!, a fairly
lame vehicle for Ronnie Corbett in the '80s.)

ArthurC wrote:
> I'd recommend the book "Eats, shoots and leaves"...
<snip>

Ah! The Bible!

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:31:24 +0200, Torak <[email protected]>
wrote:

>ArthurC wrote:
>> I'd recommend the book "Eats, shoots and leaves"...
><snip>
>
>Ah! The Bible!

Panda sex.

Srtgray wrote:
> ArthurC wrote:
> > Srtgray wrote:
> >
> >>Austin Shackles wrote:
> >>
> >>>On or around Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:33:55 +0200, Hans de Ruiter
> >>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Mark Solesbury schreef:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Just in case! Interesting all the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Defender
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Sadly the second sentence allready is incorrect. Land Rover build the
> >>>>4x2 fot the Belgium army, not the Dutch.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>ah, Belgium, man, Belgium!
> >
> >
> >>Language, Timothy!
> >
> >
> > Judge not lest ye be judged! I pride myself on pedantry in the use of
> > English, but my typping often lets me dwon even when I know how to spel
> > acyourately. I'm often ashamed that many non Brits (including my
> > Malaysian/Chinese wife) speak more accurate English than many Brits.
> > I'd recommend the book "Eats, shoots and leaves" for a humorous
> > diatribe on the abuse of English. It contains many wonderful but
> > little known facts. Did you know that redundant semicolons used to be
> > shipped abroad to be broken down and then returned to England to be
> > reused as full stops and commas?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Arthur
> >
> None of my semicolons are redundant; I frequently use them.
>
> Stuart
>
> (BTW, for the sitcom challenged, Austin was quoting the radio edition of
> Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, and I was quoting Sorry!, a fairly
> lame vehicle for Ronnie Corbett in the '80s.)

Sad lapse on my part - missed BOTH the quotes. Sorry!

Na I speak and spell the only true English worthy of the name an I'm
buggered if I don't all them fancy squiggles wuz invented to make work for
the type merchants cos there werent no use for any of em fore that wuz
there.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



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>
> Srtgray wrote:
> Judge not lest ye be judged! I pride myself on pedantry in the use of
> English, but my typping often lets me dwon even when I know how to spel
> acyourately. I'm often ashamed that many non Brits (including my
> Malaysian/Chinese wife) speak more accurate English than many Brits.
> I'd recommend the book "Eats, shoots and leaves" for a humorous
> diatribe on the abuse of English. It contains many wonderful but
> little known facts. Did you know that redundant semicolons used to be
> shipped abroad to be broken down and then returned to England to be
> reused as full stops and commas?
>
> Regards,
> Arthur
>