Which Fridge? Advice Needed !

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OK, for holiday with Landrover and mrs next year we are going to South
of France / Italy. I was planning to take a cheapo coolbox with 12v
fridge cooler on the top which we bought from Woolworths (£20) and
leave it in the back of the landy connected to a seperate leisure
battery.

This I was hoping would be ok for the odd pint or two of milk, bacon
and Beer etc etc. However, I have used it once or twice in Yorkshire
this summer and it struggles to keep things cold by the end of the
day, even with freezer blocks in the bottom - definately better than
nothing but only just.

So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or not?
I suspect not given the hotter climate. If not can anyone recommend
anything - I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges but these
seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s). Are there any
suitable fridges out there for sensible money?

Ideally I would like to be able to use 12V and also 220/240V so that i
can use the campsite electric hook-ups.

Once option i did think of but discarded was getting a 2nd hand
caravan fridge but then realized the size of them and that they are
not really designed to be moved in and out of Landrovers.

Jon
 
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:54:59 +0100, Jon
<[email protected]> wrote:

>OK, for holiday with Landrover and mrs next year we are going to South
>of France / Italy. I was planning to take a cheapo coolbox with 12v
>fridge cooler on the top which we bought from Woolworths (£20) and
>leave it in the back of the landy connected to a seperate leisure
>battery.
>
>This I was hoping would be ok for the odd pint or two of milk, bacon
>and Beer etc etc. However, I have used it once or twice in Yorkshire
>this summer and it struggles to keep things cold by the end of the
>day, even with freezer blocks in the bottom - definately better than
>nothing but only just.
>
>So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or not?
>I suspect not given the hotter climate. If not can anyone recommend
>anything - I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges but these
>seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s). Are there any
>suitable fridges out there for sensible money?
>
>Ideally I would like to be able to use 12V and also 220/240V so that i
>can use the campsite electric hook-ups.
>
>Once option i did think of but discarded was getting a 2nd hand
>caravan fridge but then realized the size of them and that they are
>not really designed to be moved in and out of Landrovers.
>
>Jon

Your little cooler won't work. It's fine for stopping chocolate
melting and so on. IME they manage to keep cold things cool, but
won't make warms things cold. I found mine in the garage this weekend
- I've used it about 3 times.

I now have a second-hand Electrolux thing, which does gas, 240v and
12v. It's permanently used as a beer fridge at home and, providing
you start off cold, works very well of 12v. It works best from 240v,
but it's very handy to be able to use it from gas in the context of
camping trips - unplug the gas while you are cooking and then turn it
back on again.

I think they retail at about £250 - 300. They are poor relations to
the Engels, but genuinely useful which is better than can be said for
the little fag lighter coolers.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:54:59 +0100, Jon
<[email protected]> wrote:

>So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or not?

Not. Either 'do a Hobbs' and bag a very good, very cheap s/h
Electrolux <g> or fork out for an Engel. In time your Engel will
become your best friend (I'd never go anywhere without mine etc...)


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"Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK, for holiday with Landrover and mrs next year we are going to South
> of France / Italy. I was planning to take a cheapo coolbox with 12v
> fridge cooler on the top which we bought from Woolworths (£20) and
> leave it in the back of the landy connected to a seperate leisure
> battery.
>
> This I was hoping would be ok for the odd pint or two of milk, bacon
> and Beer etc etc. However, I have used it once or twice in Yorkshire
> this summer and it struggles to keep things cold by the end of the
> day, even with freezer blocks in the bottom - definately better than
> nothing but only just.
>
> So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or not?
> I suspect not given the hotter climate. If not can anyone recommend
> anything - I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges but these
> seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s). Are there any
> suitable fridges out there for sensible money?
>
> Ideally I would like to be able to use 12V and also 220/240V so that i
> can use the campsite electric hook-ups.
>
> Once option i did think of but discarded was getting a 2nd hand
> caravan fridge but then realized the size of them and that they are
> not really designed to be moved in and out of Landrovers.
>
> Jon

ARB makes one too, but I think that its in line with the Engel's, in price
and features.


 
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 14:23:49 GMT, "Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote:

>ARB makes one too, but I think that its in line with the Engel's, in price
>and features.
>
Engel makes the fridges for ARB, AFAIK.
--
Charlie...
 
In news:[email protected],
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> blithered:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:54:59 +0100, Jon
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OK, for holiday with Landrover and mrs next year we are going to
>> South of France / Italy. I was planning to take a cheapo coolbox
>> with 12v fridge cooler on the top which we bought from Woolworths
>> (£20) and leave it in the back of the landy connected to a seperate
>> leisure battery.
>>
>> This I was hoping would be ok for the odd pint or two of milk, bacon
>> and Beer etc etc. However, I have used it once or twice in Yorkshire
>> this summer and it struggles to keep things cold by the end of the
>> day, even with freezer blocks in the bottom - definately better than
>> nothing but only just.
>>
>> So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or
>> not? I suspect not given the hotter climate. If not can anyone
>> recommend anything - I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges
>> but these seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s). Are
>> there any suitable fridges out there for sensible money?
>>
>> Ideally I would like to be able to use 12V and also 220/240V so that
>> i can use the campsite electric hook-ups.
>>
>> Once option i did think of but discarded was getting a 2nd hand
>> caravan fridge but then realized the size of them and that they are
>> not really designed to be moved in and out of Landrovers.
>>
>> Jon
>
> Your little cooler won't work. It's fine for stopping chocolate
> melting and so on. IME they manage to keep cold things cool, but
> won't make warms things cold. I found mine in the garage this weekend
> - I've used it about 3 times.

Try connecting it up AaF, pretty effective as an oven for liquifying butter!


>
> I now have a second-hand Electrolux thing, which does gas, 240v and
> 12v. It's permanently used as a beer fridge at home and, providing
> you start off cold, works very well of 12v. It works best from 240v,
> but it's very handy to be able to use it from gas in the context of
> camping trips - unplug the gas while you are cooking and then turn it
> back on again.
>
> I think they retail at about £250 - 300. They are poor relations to
> the Engels, but genuinely useful which is better than can be said for
> the little fag lighter coolers.



--
UR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP
If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not a good idea!


 
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 15:25:26 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:54:59 +0100, Jon
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or not?
>
>Not. Either 'do a Hobbs' and bag a very good, very cheap s/h
>Electrolux <g> or fork out for an Engel. In time your Engel will
>become your best friend (I'd never go anywhere without mine etc...)

So that's what you've got up your jumper! I thought you were just....


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com
 

> I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges but these
> seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s).

How much are they (I'm too lazy to look it up!)


Gromit
 
Jon wrote:

> OK, for holiday with Landrover and mrs next year we are going to South
> of France / Italy. I was planning to take a cheapo coolbox with 12v
> fridge cooler on the top which we bought from Woolworths (£20) and
> leave it in the back of the landy connected to a seperate leisure
> battery.

It won't do the job. The NZ equivalent to Halfords (same useless staff,
better range of parts that you actually want) has a cheap coolbox that
will run off 12V, gas (and I think 240V) and seems to work quite well
for about 70 quid. I'll find out what make they are - someone in the UK
must import them, or maybe I can start an export business to the afl
regulars.


--
EMB
change two to number to reply
 
Whatabout the electrolux RC 1600 which I was considering ?


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Vvj%c.1550$%N6.906@trndny01...
>
> "Jon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> ARB makes one too, but I think that its in line with the Engel's, in price
> and features.
>
>


 
On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 13:54:59 +0100, Jon
<[email protected]> wrote:

>OK, for holiday with Landrover and mrs next year we are going to South
>of France / Italy. I was planning to take a cheapo coolbox with 12v
>fridge cooler on the top which we bought from Woolworths (£20) and
>leave it in the back of the landy connected to a seperate leisure
>battery.
>
>This I was hoping would be ok for the odd pint or two of milk, bacon
>and Beer etc etc. However, I have used it once or twice in Yorkshire
>this summer and it struggles to keep things cold by the end of the
>day, even with freezer blocks in the bottom - definately better than
>nothing but only just.
>
>So the question is will this be OK for South of France in June or not?
>I suspect not given the hotter climate. If not can anyone recommend
>anything - I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges but these
>seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s). Are there any
>suitable fridges out there for sensible money?
>
>Ideally I would like to be able to use 12V and also 220/240V so that i
>can use the campsite electric hook-ups.
>
>Once option i did think of but discarded was getting a 2nd hand
>caravan fridge but then realized the size of them and that they are
>not really designed to be moved in and out of Landrovers.
>
>Jon

Have a look for a Waeco - surprised they haven't been mentioned as
they are *supposed* to be one of europes biggest sellers.

CF50s are on some sort of special deal in Aust at the moment (doubt
its a worldwide thing though)
 
Engel 15L approx £370 + VAT
Engel 35L approx £450 + VAT (think this was for a shop demo one)

Both prices from TBRUK. To be honest at these prices I was only half
listening to the chap but he was very helpful none the less!!



On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:44:47 +0100, Gromit <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> I have had a look at the Engel, Minus40 fridges but these
>> seem to be way over the top for what i need (£££'s).
>
>How much are they (I'm too lazy to look it up!)
>
>
>Gromit

 
Thanks for the replies.

Got this (below) from a uk camping website
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tjobrien/obcamp/portable/RC1600.htm)
£172 inc VAT

Not quite sure what the energy figures mean though... In simple terms,
could I leave it connected to the Landy battery overninght (say 12hrs)
and still be able to drive away the next morning, or is it something
that would definately need its own battery?

Any experience in this area to decipher below or give real world
performance experiences?

Thanks
Jon




Dometic Electrolux RC 1600 best selling portable refrigerator boasts a
giant 33 litre capacity.
Rugged construction and the free choice of energy ensure a wide range
of uses. The Dometic Electrolux RC1600 portable refrigerator model
will delight you with cool drinks and fresh food everywhere.
Free choice of energy: 12 Volt + 230 Volt + gas
Ice cube making facility
Piezo igniter
2 stage control for gas operation
Thermostat for mains operation
Hermetically sealed lid
Durable plastic-coated cabinet
Dometic Electrolux RC 1600 portable refrigerator is also available as
230 Volt + 24 Volt + gas versions. On these models the thermostat
regulation is on the DC supply.
See also RC1500 RC160024V RC4000 F400 RC1180 Portable Refrigerator
See Hints & Tips for Portable Refrigerator

The Dometic Electrolux RC1600 Portable Refrigerator comes with 12
Months Dometic Electrolux Full European Guarantee

Capacity,refrigerator,litres
33
Net Weight, kg 16
Dimensions, mm H x W x D Outside - 440 x 500 x 458
Inside - 368 x 418 x 229

Colour blue and white
Consumption

- Electric, kWh/24 h approx. 1.35
12 Volt, Ah/24 h approx. 150
- Gas, g/24 h approx. max. / min 252 / 187
Average consumption in 24 h at 25 C° mean ambient annual temperature
according to ISO standards.



On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:35:24 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Whatabout the electrolux RC 1600 which I was considering ?

 
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 08:14:40 +0100, Jon
<[email protected]> wrote:

>£172 inc VAT

Seems fine.

>Not quite sure what the energy figures mean though... In simple terms,
>could I leave it connected to the Landy battery overninght (say 12hrs)
>and still be able to drive away the next morning, or is it something
>that would definately need its own battery?

Leisure battery (if you intend starting the engine again!)


--
Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info
 
On or around Wed, 08 Sep 2004 08:14:40 +0100, Jon
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>12 Volt, Ah/24 h approx. 150

that's probably more than yer battery contains, so yes, you'll need a
separate supply.

150 Ah is 150A for an hour, or 75A for 2 hours, etc. or in this case
something like 6.25A for 24h. That's about as much as leaving half the
lights on for 24 hours, unless you have a very big battery, you'd be pushing
yer luck.

lookat it another way, for 12 hours, you're looking at 75Ah, which is
probably something near the battery capacity, but that don't allow you
enough to restart it in the morning.

your battery should have a capacity on it in Ah, along maybe with a starting
current (CCA) in amps and maybe a reserve capacity at 20A or 25A load.

Note that the Ah capacity on the battery is normally quoted at something
like a 20-hour rate - viz. the current drain that will flatten the battery
in 20 hours. And that the actual capacity in faster discharge is less than
this.

Unless you have a rooted objection to gas, though, you might think about
running it on gas, which won't flatten the battery at all.

 
Thanks for this, that means that i am either going to need another
battery or a gas bottle for when i havent got an electric hook-up.

Having not used gas appliences before, especially portable ones,
please bear with me!

When using gas, Im assuming that they need some sort of flue, or at
least to be well in a well vented area?? Would it be safe to leave it
on gas in a tent whilst we where sleaping or would we not wake up
again??!! Im thinking Carbon Monoxide and other such nasties..




On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:09:21 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Wed, 08 Sep 2004 08:14:40 +0100, Jon
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>12 Volt, Ah/24 h approx. 150
>
>that's probably more than yer battery contains, so yes, you'll need a
>separate supply.
>
>150 Ah is 150A for an hour, or 75A for 2 hours, etc. or in this case
>something like 6.25A for 24h. That's about as much as leaving half the
>lights on for 24 hours, unless you have a very big battery, you'd be pushing
>yer luck.
>
>lookat it another way, for 12 hours, you're looking at 75Ah, which is
>probably something near the battery capacity, but that don't allow you
>enough to restart it in the morning.
>
>your battery should have a capacity on it in Ah, along maybe with a starting
>current (CCA) in amps and maybe a reserve capacity at 20A or 25A load.
>
>Note that the Ah capacity on the battery is normally quoted at something
>like a 20-hour rate - viz. the current drain that will flatten the battery
>in 20 hours. And that the actual capacity in faster discharge is less than
>this.
>
>Unless you have a rooted objection to gas, though, you might think about
>running it on gas, which won't flatten the battery at all.

 
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