way way OT - advice on Webspace

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Mother

Guest

• Nov 30, 2005

• #21

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:35:45 +0000, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>The 101 Club website (http://www.101club.org) has been written using a
>>basic text editor called 'vi' - this is on a linux machine, as you're
>>using Windows look for something other than 'notepad', like 'editpad'.
>
>All the vi's are available for windows too. I always preferred gvim.

True, but putting vi on a Doze box is rather like sitting your baby in
a pool of ****e.

Same as grep on a Doze platform, IMO...

(I don't run Windoze unless it's in a gated environment and unable to
do any real damage)

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Dec 1, 2005

• #22

On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:32:58 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:26:33 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Something like microsoft word will create web pages for you (choose
>>> 'save as web page' or start a new 'blank web page'.
>>>
>>> It creates some horrible bloated messy code but its very easy to do!
>>
>>Horrible bloated messy non-standard code that probably won't render
>>correctly even in a MS browser!
>
>If all you want is simple images and words then it does alright.
>

>If somebody can recommend another bit of software that is just as
>simple to use (i.e. uses the same sort of approach as word does to
>making a web page) and makes nicer code then i'll start recommending
>that instead!

I've found mozilla/netsacpe composer to be reasonable. Its code is not
perfect, but not too bad.

>My dad has to do a lot of departmental web pages at the uni where he
>works. I'm sure he said he had found (or a colleague had written) a
>program that cleaned up word generated HTML into nice tidy code.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Dec 1, 2005

• #23

On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:35:45 +0000, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:13:23 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>>The 101 Club website (http://www.101club.org) has been written using a
>>basic text editor called 'vi' - this is on a linux machine, as you're
>>using Windows look for something other than 'notepad', like 'editpad'.
>
>All the vi's are available for windows too. I always preferred gvim.

all your vi are belong to us!
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Dec 1, 2005

• #24

On or around Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:37:52 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 22:35:45 +0000, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>>The 101 Club website (http://www.101club.org) has been written using a
>>>basic text editor called 'vi' - this is on a linux machine, as you're
>>>using Windows look for something other than 'notepad', like 'editpad'.
>>
>>All the vi's are available for windows too. I always preferred gvim.
>
>True, but putting vi on a Doze box is rather like sitting your baby in
>a pool of ****e.
>
>Same as grep on a Doze platform, IMO...
>
>(I don't run Windoze unless it's in a gated environment and unable to
>do any real damage)

I run windows 'cos it's the best compromise for what I want and need the
machine to do.

Mind you, I've never seen the need to put vi on it... TBH - my experience of
editors was based on the VMS-based TPU editor, which was in fact rather
nice, and I found vi inferior. 's a bit like the people who insist on using
LaTex for everything. LaTex works if you know how, but it's not a good way
of creating documents...

<dons flame-proof suit>

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

 

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Dave Liquorice

Guest

• Dec 1, 2005

• #25

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:39:39 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

>>If somebody can recommend another bit of software that is just as
>> simple to use (i.e. uses the same sort of approach as word does to
>> making a web page) and makes nicer code then i'll start
>> recommending that instead!
>
> I've found mozilla/netsacpe composer to be reasonable. Its code is
> not perfect, but not too bad.

I thought I'd already plugged Composer... B-)

The only way to get "perfect" code is to hand craft or tweak it and
even then different browsers render the same "perfect" code
differently, so you have to look at the page in different browsers and
compromise.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

 

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[email protected]

Guest

• Dec 3, 2005

• #26

[email protected] wrote:

> So............I need a website that is versatile, easy to set up yet,
> not too much hard work initially for a lazy git like me and yet gives
> lots of scope. Mmmmmmm

Coming in a bit late to this thread, but I am very suprised that nobody
seems to have mentioned any kind of active content management system
style websites. I personally use http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu but
there's a fair few out there.

Look for a web host that provides cpanel web management (check they
support PHPwebsite through it first, though most will) and you will
have the framework for a fairly complex site up within hours of getting
your authentication details. Then you just add content, which is what
it is all about, yes?

Hand coding websites is mind-numbingly boring, and prone to programmer
error. With phpwebsite you set up your website (through a web
interface), then add content to it.... not code. Your code will mostly
be limited to adding the odd hyperlink to an external site if you wish.
Image management is simple, no faffing about with FTP.

And, to keep everyone happy, your site will be valid XHTML 1.0 and
meets the W3C's Web Accessibility Initiative requirements. Give it a
try!

Regards

William MacLeod

 

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Steve

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #27

[email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> So............I need a website that is versatile, easy to set up yet,
>> not too much hard work initially for a lazy git like me and yet gives
>> lots of scope. Mmmmmmm
>
> Coming in a bit late to this thread, but I am very suprised that nobody
> seems to have mentioned any kind of active content management system
> style websites. I personally use http://phpwebsite.appstate.edu but
> there's a fair few out there.
>
> Look for a web host that provides cpanel web management (check they
> support PHPwebsite through it first, though most will) and you will
> have the framework for a fairly complex site up within hours of getting
> your authentication details. Then you just add content, which is what
> it is all about, yes?

Yes, I use Zen Internet's service - its great - they have lots of
different "flavours" of various components, like your own photogallery,
wiki, forum software etc etc.
http://www.zenwebhosting.com/home.aspx

Best service in the UK too.

Steve

 

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Lee_D

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #28

Steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> Yes, I use Zen Internet's service - its great - they have lots of
> different "flavours" of various components, like your own
> photogallery, wiki, forum software etc etc.
> http://www.zenwebhosting.com/home.aspx
>
> Best service in the UK too.
>
> Steve

I'm using zen for my connection... must check this lot out.

Not cheap but I have plans for my IP addresses.

Lee D

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #29

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 17:36:47 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Steve <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
>> Yes, I use Zen Internet's service - its great - they have lots of
>> different "flavours" of various components, like your own
>> photogallery, wiki, forum software etc etc.
>> http://www.zenwebhosting.com/home.aspx
>>
>> Best service in the UK too.
>>
>> Steve
>
>I'm using zen for my connection... must check this lot out.
>
>Not cheap but I have plans for my IP addresses.
>
>Lee D
>
>

Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.

--
Tim Hobbs

 

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Steve

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #30

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
> them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
> It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.
>

Their "employee #3" (Hi Neil !) is helping me rebuild our ambi....

Steve

 

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Tom Woods

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #31

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:59:02 +0000, Steve
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
>> them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
>> It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.
>>
>
>Their "employee #3" (Hi Neil !) is helping me rebuild our ambi....

Can we get a zen discount for 101 owners then I've also got
multiple ADSL connections with them.

 

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Paul S. Brown

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #32

Steve wrote:

> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
>> them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
>> It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.
>>
>
> Their "employee #3" (Hi Neil !) is helping me rebuild our ambi....
>

/me wonders if they're looking for any techies at the moment. They appear to
be based about 1000 yards from my front door...

P.

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #33

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:13:15 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Steve wrote:
>
>> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>
>>> Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
>>> them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
>>> It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.
>>>
>>
>> Their "employee #3" (Hi Neil !) is helping me rebuild our ambi....
>>
>
>/me wonders if they're looking for any techies at the moment. They appear to
>be based about 1000 yards from my front door...
>
>P.

Their tech desk is about to get a sudden step-change in support calls,
as soon as a certain set of ****wits manage to build me some
servers....

Seriously, they have ambitious growth plans. They are based in
Rochdale, and are planning a new facility there I believe.
--
Tim Hobbs

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #34

On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 17:59:02 +0000, Steve
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
>> them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
>> It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.
>>
>
>Their "employee #3" (Hi Neil !) is helping me rebuild our ambi....
>
>Steve

If I'd known they offered that service then.... no, best not to
think about it.

<weeps quietly>

--
Tim Hobbs

 

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Paul S. Brown

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #35

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:13:15 +0000, "Paul S. Brown"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Steve wrote:
>>
>>> Tim Hobbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zen are excellent. I've got about half a dozen ADSL connections with
>>>> them, plus a rack in their suite at Telecity (well, on order anyway).
>>>> It just works... Not the cheapest, but definitely the lowest cost.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Their "employee #3" (Hi Neil !) is helping me rebuild our ambi....
>>>
>>
>>/me wonders if they're looking for any techies at the moment. They appear
>>to be based about 1000 yards from my front door...
>>
>>P.
>
> Their tech desk is about to get a sudden step-change in support calls,
> as soon as a certain set of ****wits manage to build me some
> servers....
>
> Seriously, they have ambitious growth plans. They are based in
> Rochdale, and are planning a new facility there I believe

Ah - that would explain the 2 frontline bobs they're advertising for - Only
applicants named "Warren" need apply then )

P.

 

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Steve

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #36

Paul S. Brown wrote:

> /me wonders if they're looking for any techies at the moment. They appear to
> be based about 1000 yards from my front door...
>
> P.
They're always looking for people.

Steve

 

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Paul S. Brown

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #37

Steve wrote:

> Paul S. Brown wrote:
>
>> /me wonders if they're looking for any techies at the moment. They appear
>> to be based about 1000 yards from my front door...
>>
>> P.
> They're always looking for people.
>

*fires in an on-spec CV*

P.

 

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Lee_D

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #38

Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> If I'd known they offered that service then.... no, best not to
> think about it.
>
> <weeps quietly>

Yeah is Neil busy Wednesday, refitting the manifold with gaskets is a
"muther" of a job.

Don't dispare Tim.... plenty more money pits on Ebay , just apply drink ;-)

Lee D

 

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Steve

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #39

Paul S. Brown wrote:
>> Seriously, they have ambitious growth plans. They are based in
>> Rochdale, and are planning a new facility there I believe

The plans for their new place included a recreation centre - I already
suggested a decent workshop with inpection pit....

Steve

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• Dec 4, 2005

• #40

On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 18:45:35 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
>> If I'd known they offered that service then.... no, best not to
>> think about it.
>>
>> <weeps quietly>
>
>Yeah is Neil busy Wednesday, refitting the manifold with gaskets is a
>"muther" of a job.
>

pah - I've just changed the nearside headlamp bulb on the Volvo. Take
a perfectly normal headlamp, then fit the air cleaner 1/2 inch astern
of it. Then route a cable that could have gone anywhere right over
the top what little gap there is.

Then put a watertight cap on the back of the headlamp unit, such that
it won't actually come out. Unless you drop it, in which case it jams
under the air cleaner.

Just for fun, hide the sidelamp just to the left, so after the poor
sod has spent 30 minutes trying not to have a Basil Fawlty moment he
finds that he has replaced a perfectly serviceable bulb, not the
sidelamp that has actually blown.


--
Tim Hobbs