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Hi all,

Completely non-landy-related advice needed. With the nights drawing in,
the potential to be snowed in (!) ever on the increase i think I may
have a go with designing myself a little website.
Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace and also I guess
I need some kind of software to build it? I know Lee D has his own
website, so Lee, if you're listening..........

Many thanks

Dave

 
[email protected] wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Completely non-landy-related advice needed. With the nights drawing in,
> the potential to be snowed in (!) ever on the increase i think I may
> have a go with designing myself a little website.
> Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace and also I guess
> I need some kind of software to build it? I know Lee D has his own
> website, so Lee, if you're listening..........
>
> Many thanks
>
> Dave
>


I use Pogga for hosting my website. http://www.pogga.co.uk
They do a 1 year hosting package for £10. It's called Student, but is
for everyone. You get 5 email accounts with IMAP/POP3 access, 250megs of
space, ftp access, PHP, SLQ. Very good value.
From the control panel you can access a list of installable
webinterfaces such as forums, galleries, content managers, calendars...

I'm currently using a PHP frontend/content-manager called Mambo. You
don't need any software to build it, everything is done via a php web
interface.
David

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<[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all,


How do you do?

> Completely non-landy-related advice needed. With the nights drawing in,
> the potential to be snowed in (!) ever on the increase i think I may
> have a go with designing myself a little website.


brewing your own beer may be more fun/useful :)

> Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace


For price you can't beat the free space provided by your ISP. Also Y! &c
still provide free space. With both those you get a rather dodgy looking
URL similar to: name.users.<provider>.com

Next up (in cost terms) there are thousands of hosts operating on
stateside servers (also check Malaysia).

For preference I would suggest you research your locale for providors -
you can't beat a face-to-face (over a beer or two) for effective comms.

Note that /all/ providers have issues - it's how they deal with them that
separates the men from the toys.

> and also I guess
> I need some kind of software to build it?


notepad will do for starters - FWIW I use textpad (mostly).

There's a good starter tutorial here:
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/html-tutorial
--
William Tasso

110 - V8
 
On or around 30 Nov 2005 03:30:37 -0800, [email protected] enlightened us
thusly:

>Hi all,
>
>Completely non-landy-related advice needed. With the nights drawing in,
>the potential to be snowed in (!) ever on the increase i think I may
>have a go with designing myself a little website.
>Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace and also I guess
>I need some kind of software to build it? I know Lee D has his own
>website, so Lee, if you're listening..........


does your ISP provide it as part of your connection package?

If not...

mine is with 123-reg - the basic elcheapo package - seems reasonable value
and works OK.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 
On 30 Nov 2005 03:30:37 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace and also I guess
>I need some kind of software to build it?


Firstly, use some free webspace (you should get some from your ISP) to
play with - don't worry if you mess it up - it's normal.

Secondly, and most importantly, remember that all web pages are
basically 'text' which then instructs your web browser how to display
the information. It's a very, very good idea to start by developing a
basic understanding of the various components that go into the 'code'.

The 101 Club website (http://www.101club.org) has been written using a
basic text editor called 'vi' - this is on a linux machine, as you're
using Windows look for something other than 'notepad', like 'editpad'.

It's very, very easy to pick up bad habits - and then very, very hard
to break them. The club site needs a fair amount of changes to be
fully W3C compliant - all due to me writing it by hand using my old
(10 years out of date) code habits :)

Finally, remember that the web has become popular _because_ it's so
easy to publish content - it really isn't rocket science - if it were,
I wouldn't be doing it!


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
Hi all.
I use my ISP's webspace allocated to me when I signed up. The downside is
you dont really get to use the name you want for instance my webspace
address is...
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
....then the name of the site which can be anything you want, for
example....er...off the top of my head ...
'deesidetkd'.
(Apologies for that shameless plug!)
I also use Notepad in Windows as everything is in HTML which as mother said
is basically just text. I am sure there must be easier ways of making sites
but I like the HTML and can do most of it off the top of my head. I also
noted that Wanadoo (like many other ISP's) make the tools available for its
members to create their own sites using templates. I find these very
restricted though.
I have a book in .PDF format 'HTML For Dummies' or something similair. I'll
find it and if it aint too big I could email it to you if you want it?


 
Thanks for all the advice, unfortunately I can't understand alot of
some of the answers. Soz!

I've set up a little website using Wanadoo and it's fine but you are
extremely limited to the format. F'rinstance you are limited to about 5
or so intial formats and then limited to text without many photo's.
I can see myself being lazy and uploading loads of pics and don't want
to have to write loads of stuff straight away.
Also the idea of having a message board is appealing.

On the other hand (I know i'm asking alot here) I don't need it to be
horrendous to set up either. So If I can pick and choose from formats
again, just alot more of them that would be ideal.

So............I need a website that is versatile, easy to set up yet,
not too much hard work initially for a lazy git like me and yet gives
lots of scope. Mmmmmmm

Perhaps I should just ask for a series 2 with compliant rid,e that it
unstopable off road yet will cruise effortlessly on the Autobahn in
near silence. Might be easier.

More help please!

Dave


>
> >Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace and also I guess
> >I need some kind of software to build it?

>
> Firstly, use some free webspace (you should get some from your ISP) to
> play with - don't worry if you mess it up - it's normal.
>
> Secondly, and most importantly, remember that all web pages are
> basically 'text' which then instructs your web browser how to display
> the information. It's a very, very good idea to start by developing a
> basic understanding of the various components that go into the 'code'.
>
> The 101 Club website (http://www.101club.org) has been written using a
> basic text editor called 'vi' - this is on a linux machine, as you're
> using Windows look for something other than 'notepad', like 'editpad'.
>
> It's very, very easy to pick up bad habits - and then very, very hard
> to break them. The club site needs a fair amount of changes to be
> fully W3C compliant - all due to me writing it by hand using my old
> (10 years out of date) code habits :)
>
> Finally, remember that the web has become popular _because_ it's so
> easy to publish content - it really isn't rocket science - if it were,
> I wouldn't be doing it!
>
>
> --
> "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
> of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
> increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
> In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Wolverine" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi all.
> I use my ISP's webspace allocated to me when I signed up. The downside is
> you dont really get to use the name you want for instance my webspace
> address is...
> http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/
> ...then the name of the site which can be anything you want, for
> example....er...off the top of my head ...
> 'deesidetkd'.
> (Apologies for that shameless plug!)
> I also use Notepad in Windows as everything is in HTML which as mother said
> is basically just text. I am sure there must be easier ways of making sites
> but I like the HTML and can do most of it off the top of my head.


<mount="hobby-horse">

Good man. The HTML produced by most "automatic" systems is diabolical,
and Mickysoft stuff in particular is vastly over-bloated and is
nowhere near standards compliant (so those with so-called non-standard
browsers, the blind etc don't have a good experience using the site).

Being controversial, my view is that is you can't produce a site
using basic HTML then you've not thought through what your site is
trying to say to the world. Flash etc can look good on first view,
but becomes bloody irritating if it is one you visit regularly.

There's one peddler of LR spares who seem to specialise in producing
sites of such complexity that I've not even seen the whole thing in it's
latest incarnation, either on this machine or on the "standard" laptop.

</mount>

> I also
> noted that Wanadoo (like many other ISP's) make the tools available for its
> members to create their own sites using templates. I find these very
> restricted though.
> I have a book in .PDF format 'HTML For Dummies' or something similair. I'll
> find it and if it aint too big I could email it to you if you want it?
>
>


Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay
 
....and [email protected] spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Perhaps I should just ask for a series 2 with compliant rid,e that it
> unstopable off road yet will cruise effortlessly on the Autobahn in
> near silence. Might be easier.


(Describes vehicle after next round of "improvements".)

No, I'm not selling.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
[email protected] <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> Thanks for all the advice, unfortunately I can't understand alot of
> some of the answers. Soz!




Dave,

Do a google on html tutorials.

Then read up on ws_ftp to upload your new creation to your web space. I use
lots of different locations and really must tidy it all up one day.

I found the simplest way to learn having done some tutorials was to look at
the code behind simple sites.. none of your complexed stuff.

I tend to edit my stuff in word pad.

If I see some fetaures I like I try them. Sometimes they work others they
don't.

Once you have your basic site structure set up your laughing. I.e. Home
page, Series page, Beer drinking page all sat in seperate folders for to
make it simple.

You'll have hours of fun and frustration doing it this way but the
satisfaction is worth it in the end.

My sites are nothing clever, indeed true code masters may turn in their
swivel chairs, but hey it's not hurting anyone and it's all a bit of fun.

My pages have been written on a variety of software from raw Html to some on
Publisher.. if you look at sites produced by publisher then their code is
miles long for a simple page.

to look at code try this..

http://www.lrproject.com/lrproject.html

then right click on the background and select "view source" scan through and
you will eventually get the idea what it's all doing. "Save as" onto your
hard drive then open the document by right click and "Open with" something
like notepad wordpad or the likes... tinker with the code.. save again then
just double click the file to see what you have done. Thats how I learned
what I know along side html tutorials free on the web. It's unlikely the
images will show but you will get the idea.

All sounds very complicated but once you've had a few drunken nights
tinkering you'll soon have knocked up your own basic site. Not only that you
will become a "view source" addict on new sites you visit to see how it's
done.

One day I'll master Java and alike.

Lee D

--
www.lrproject.com



 

Richard Brookman wrote:


> No, I'm not selling.


Not selling what? The mind altering drug you are taking?............
>
> --
> Rich
> ==============================
> Disco 300 Tdi auto
> S2a 88" SW
> Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
Thanks Lee,

I've done what you did but I think I really need to go back to basics.
Is there software that you can buy where you can just "fill in the
gaps?".

I think I need to be able to go; right, I want this here and that
there, and this picture up the top and a fiddly bit down here etc etc.
or do I HAVE to use code. Is is possible????

All the symbols and lines gave me the shivers, reminding me of
programming a Commodore 64 for 5 hours striaght just so the bloody
thing would bounce a ball round the screen or something!!

There is a small chance, however, that I am blowing it out of all
proportion!

Dave
Lee_D wrote:
> [email protected] <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
> about:
> > Thanks for all the advice, unfortunately I can't understand alot of
> > some of the answers. Soz!

>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> Do a google on html tutorials.
>
> Then read up on ws_ftp to upload your new creation to your web space. I use
> lots of different locations and really must tidy it all up one day.
>
> I found the simplest way to learn having done some tutorials was to look at
> the code behind simple sites.. none of your complexed stuff.
>
> I tend to edit my stuff in word pad.
>
> If I see some fetaures I like I try them. Sometimes they work others they
> don't.
>
> Once you have your basic site structure set up your laughing. I.e. Home
> page, Series page, Beer drinking page all sat in seperate folders for to
> make it simple.
>
> You'll have hours of fun and frustration doing it this way but the
> satisfaction is worth it in the end.
>
> My sites are nothing clever, indeed true code masters may turn in their
> swivel chairs, but hey it's not hurting anyone and it's all a bit of fun.
>
> My pages have been written on a variety of software from raw Html to some on
> Publisher.. if you look at sites produced by publisher then their code is
> miles long for a simple page.
>
> to look at code try this..
>
> http://www.lrproject.com/lrproject.html
>
> then right click on the background and select "view source" scan through and
> you will eventually get the idea what it's all doing. "Save as" onto your
> hard drive then open the document by right click and "Open with" something
> like notepad wordpad or the likes... tinker with the code.. save again then
> just double click the file to see what you have done. Thats how I learned
> what I know along side html tutorials free on the web. It's unlikely the
> images will show but you will get the idea.
>
> All sounds very complicated but once you've had a few drunken nights
> tinkering you'll soon have knocked up your own basic site. Not only that you
> will become a "view source" addict on new sites you visit to see how it's
> done.
>
> One day I'll master Java and alike.
>
> Lee D
>
> --
> www.lrproject.com


 
On 30 Nov 2005 12:31:19 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

>Thanks Lee,
>
>I've done what you did but I think I really need to go back to basics.
>Is there software that you can buy where you can just "fill in the
>gaps?".


Something like microsoft word will create web pages for you (choose
'save as web page' or start a new 'blank web page'.

It creates some horrible bloated messy code but its very easy to do!

 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:05:33 +0000, Tom Woods wrote:

>> I've done what you did but I think I really need to go back to
>> basics. Is there software that you can buy where you can just "fill
>> in the gaps?".


Take a look at the Composer part of Mozilla. I used that for a while
when my pages where plain HTML. It produces reasonable code that most
browsers will interpret how you expect. It's not a template system so
not a "fill in the gaps", but a WYSIWYG web page editor. You can
easyly get to the raw code should you need to.

> Something like microsoft word will create web pages for you (choose
> 'save as web page' or start a new 'blank web page'.
>
> It creates some horrible bloated messy code but its very easy to do!


Horrible bloated messy non-standard code that probably won't render
correctly even in a MS browser!

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:26:33 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Something like microsoft word will create web pages for you (choose
>> 'save as web page' or start a new 'blank web page'.
>>
>> It creates some horrible bloated messy code but its very easy to do!

>
>Horrible bloated messy non-standard code that probably won't render
>correctly even in a MS browser!


If all you want is simple images and words then it does alright.

I generally recommend word to people at work who say they want to
create a web page and who id classify as 'a basic computer user'. Its
one of the easiest things to get the hang of (since they can do simple
word processing already) and involves very little help from me (other
than telling them to save it as a web page or start a new 'web page'.

If somebody can recommend another bit of software that is just as
simple to use (i.e. uses the same sort of approach as word does to
making a web page) and makes nicer code then i'll start recommending
that instead!

My dad has to do a lot of departmental web pages at the uni where he
works. I'm sure he said he had found (or a colleague had written) a
program that cleaned up word generated HTML into nice tidy code.
 
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 14:13:23 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>The 101 Club website (http://www.101club.org) has been written using a
>basic text editor called 'vi' - this is on a linux machine, as you're
>using Windows look for something other than 'notepad', like 'editpad'.


All the vi's are available for windows too. I always preferred gvim.

 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> but I think I really need to go back to basics.


That really is a good place to start.

> Is there software that you can buy where you can just "fill in the
> gaps?".


Yes - but all of them together don't amount to much more than a bill of
sale.

> I think I need to be able to go; right, I want this here and that
> there, and this picture up the top and a fiddly bit down here etc etc.
> or do I HAVE to use code. Is is possible????


Stop.

What you need first of all is content, that is: words and (possibly)
pictures.

> All the symbols and lines gave me the shivers, reminding me of
> programming a Commodore 64 for 5 hours striaght just so the bloody
> thing would bounce a ball round the screen or something!!


That's programming which is completely different from markup.

> There is a small chance, however, that I am blowing it out of all
> proportion!


Yes, start simple, grow slowly and please try to remember that creating
documents for the web is not at all like creating a page for print.

Did you look at the link I provided previously? It is right on the button
for beginners and won't lead you into bad habits.

--
William Tasso
 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> My dad has to do a lot of departmental web pages at the uni where he
> works. I'm sure he said he had found (or a colleague had written) a
> program that cleaned up word generated HTML into nice tidy code.


HTMLTidy - http://tidy.sourceforge.net/

--
William Tasso
 

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi all,
>
> Completely non-landy-related advice needed. With the nights drawing in,
> the potential to be snowed in (!) ever on the increase i think I may
> have a go with designing myself a little website.
> Can anyone advise on a good provider of said webspace and also I guess
> I need some kind of software to build it? I know Lee D has his own
> website, so Lee, if you're listening..........
>
> Many thanks
>
> Dave

you can get the software free on www.Tucows.com and you also need a program
to upload onto your webspace (FTP) didn't your ISP grant you free webspace?
NTL gave us a bit.
Derek


 
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