UK return for an Afirrcan Overland truck

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cmr600 said:
I need to fit a Cat S5 tracker to the camper as soon as it gets off the boat and gets its MOT / UK plates.... who does everyone recommend for the new Cat S5 trackers...? Both which tracker and which companies you recommend to fit (Yorkshire / Midlands)...?
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So…. Bringing it home. The market here is just not strong enough and we would lose £30-40k….. here’s the challenge.

I am £70k in total spend in the last 9 months including the 34k miles 2012 Puma 110.

I would love views as to how much it maybe should be worth in the UK market today…

Will post the current list / photos etc and you guys can help…
 
cmr600 said:

THE ULTIMATE LAND ROVER DEFENDER 110 – Foley's East Africa

foleyseastafrica.com foleyseastafrica.com

Here we go, gives an idea of the “stupid” level of investment I’m facing. Would love views on where this could sit ball park in Uk market today… I have zero idea been away for a decade!
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It doesn’t really matter what you have spent on it in my opinion. It’s what someone is willing to pay. Your vehicle is amazing and will be very desirable, to a niche market !! Someone planning an overland adventure with loads of money might just pay what you want, who knows.
 
meego said:
It doesn’t really matter what you have spent on it in my opinion. It’s what someone is willing to pay. Your vehicle is amazing and will be very desirable, to a niche market !! Someone planning an overland adventure with loads of money might just pay what you want, who knows.
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Totally agree with every point and same as here. Just trying to get a flavour of uk prices compared to Kenya
 
cmr600 said:
Totally agree with every point and same as here. Just trying to get a flavour of uk prices compared to Kenya
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It’s a hard one to answer I think. There are people who “have always wanted a Defender” who will pay a lot of money for a shiny one with big wheels and lots of add ons and looks tough. But with no clue what they’re looking at and find out too late it’s got a rotten chassis and bulkhead. There are hundreds of people up and down the country catering for this uneducated market and selling crap. Are there any overland companies in Kenya, or anywhere else in Africa who are looking for LR’s like this already prepared for their clients ?? I would think there’s a larger market there than here for this vehicle.
 
meego said:
It’s a hard one to answer I think. There are people who “have always wanted a Defender” who will pay a lot of money for a shiny one with big wheels and lots of add ons and looks tough. But with no clue what they’re looking at and find out too late it’s got a rotten chassis and bulkhead. There are hundreds of people up and down the country catering for this uneducated market and selling crap. Are there any overland companies in Kenya, or anywhere else in Africa who are looking for LR’s like this already prepared for their clients ?? I would think there’s a larger market there than here for this vehicle.
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Sounded a bit derogatory to be honest with underlyong suggestion of big wheel and “looks tough” but no substance.

I won’t use the same judgement and suggest you are “just pootling down to Waitrose”
In yours as I don’t know you from Adam.

I built this thing, it’s a new car. Didn’t appreciate the tone or suggestion that I’d be robbing someone with a load of money who was a bit stupid or uneducated.

Yes there’s a world of overland here hence been trying to move it here. All I was asking was the market but at this moment what I’d like to do is delete my question :)

No stress gang.
 
It is difficult CMR, your problem is that any car in Kenya is expensive. The new price plus the duty, even on secondhand cars means taking them elsewhere and selling them isn’t economically viable. 12M KES is £69,096 according to xe.com today, which didn’t include the money you spent on ‘labour, shipping to kenya and fitting’ according to the advert.

I think selling in Kenya would be your best bet? The UK market is unlikely to understand the lengths you have gone to with this, but people here are more likely?
 
The big problem is. Its what you wanted and spent a bunch of money on to get it to where you wanted/what you wanted.

Spending that sort of money is the owners choice for what they want. I dont disagree it looks like a great 110.
But you will never recoup the costs for the upgrades in a sale price, you get the value back in using it for what you built it for.

I dont know UK prices either, but I would say its in the region of less than half what you value it at, at best.

I didnt put a winch on the front on mine to recoup the purchase price of the winch (if I sell it).

Thats life i am afraid to say. Some spend it on golf clubs or boats, Or like us lot a 4x4 not heard of many making a profit on any.

J
 
cmr600 said:
Sounded a bit derogatory to be honest with underlyong suggestion of big wheel and “looks tough” but no substance.

I won’t use the same judgement and suggest you are “just pootling down to Waitrose”
In yours as I don’t know you from Adam.

I built this thing, it’s a new car. Didn’t appreciate the tone or suggestion that I’d be robbing someone with a load of money who was a bit stupid or uneducated.

Yes there’s a world of overland here hence been trying to move it here. All I was asking was the market but at this moment what I’d like to do is delete my question :)

No stress gang.
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Oh dear. You asked for advice and I gave you mine. There was zero suggestion your vehicle was like my description and you have posted a link showing it is a quality build and nothing like the ones I was talking about. I was trying to describe the pitfalls of the British market and what people are willing to pay for only, as that’s what you asked for. You soldier on mate 😏
 
cmr600 said:
Sounded a bit derogatory to be honest with underlyong suggestion of big wheel and “looks tough” but no substance.

I won’t use the same judgement and suggest you are “just pootling down to Waitrose”
In yours as I don’t know you from Adam.

I built this thing, it’s a new car. Didn’t appreciate the tone or suggestion that I’d be robbing someone with a load of money who was a bit stupid or uneducated.

Yes there’s a world of overland here hence been trying to move it here. All I was asking was the market but at this moment what I’d like to do is delete my question :)

No stress gang.
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I think you have completely missed @meego ’s (very valid) point!
He wasn’t having a pop at your motor…
 
cmr600 said:
I built this thing, it’s a new car.
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marjon said:
I didnt put a winch on the front on mine to recoup the purchase price of the winch (if I sell it).
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Building it and considering it new does not mean you have added value. Just looking through the pictures there are some very expensive items that will not have added value to the vehicle. Couple of easy examples, roof rack (guessing about £1k), winch setup (guessing about £1k), only considering parts costs, but that will not have added any value to the vehicle in my opinion. Same with any of the underbody protection, tree slider, wheels, etc, large parts and labour cost, but no additional value to the vehicle.
Some items that you have built into it that will add value to the vehicle, like the pop up roof, also hugely limit the interested market to a small specific group who want that, but again it will not add the same value that it cost to buy and install.

I am not familiar with UK overland prices but a quick look on ebay would put a, on the face of it, similar vehicle at between 20-30k (LINK). The £69k asking price you have puts it in line with this one (LINK), or in line with @meego comments about buyers who want a shiny expensive "new one" but don't know what they are looking at with some of the overpriced professional restoration company vehicles (LINK)
 
I know - funny one is that'/s what I'm being told in Kenya as well - UK would be much better Kenya is cheap and no one has money :)
 
marjon said:
The big problem is. Its what you wanted and spent a bunch of money on to get it to where you wanted/what you wanted.

Spending that sort of money is the owners choice for what they want. I dont disagree it looks like a great 110.
But you will never recoup the costs for the upgrades in a sale price, you get the value back in using it for what you built it for.

I dont know UK prices either, but I would say its in the region of less than half what you value it at, at best.

I didnt put a winch on the front on mine to recoup the purchase price of the winch (if I sell it).

Thats life i am afraid to say. Some spend it on golf clubs or boats, Or like us lot a 4x4 not heard of many making a profit on any.

J
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We love the dream and the journey I know - it is what it is.... but yeah - seems no one either side spends money these days and yes I completely agree with eveything you guys are saying!
 
dag019 said:
Building it and considering it new does not mean you have added value. Just looking through the pictures, there are some very expensive items that will not add value to the vehicle. A couple of easy examples, roof rack (guessing about £1k), winch setup (guessing about £1k), only considering parts costs, but that will not have added any value to the vehicle in my opinion. Same with any of the underbody protection, tree slider, wheels, etc, large parts and labour cost, but no additional value to the vehicle.
Some items that you have built into it that will add value to the vehicle, like the pop up roof, also hugely limit the interested market to a small specific group who want that, but again it will not add the same value that it cost to buy and install.

I am not familiar with UK overland prices but a quick look on ebay would put a, on the face of it, similar vehicle at between 20-30k (LINK). The £69k asking price you have puts it in line with this one (LINK), or in line with @meego comments about buyers who want a shiny expensive "new one" but don't know what they are looking at with some of the overpriced professional restoration company vehicles (LINK)
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Could well be a difference in market there, as those things you don't seem to value are critical here in the African bush - maybe not green laning in the Lakes, I agree (BTW not a DIG i LOVE THE LAKES and that's part of why we're coming back) - but you're right - certain things for ceetian markets. Funnt there's a multi m £££ markt here if no one values :)

A bit like people paying $10k for suspensions here to cope with the corrugations, etc... when you depend on it (and we unfortunately) don't have the AA here (well, not the car one anyway ;-)) You need it to run no matter what - which of course then lends to a load of people telling you to buy a Land Cruiser.... bless them....
 
Landcruiser and Hilux here CMR… but we do have a Mk1 Disco for the Rhino Charge. They tend to win it more than anything else, and that is proper 4x4.

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I realised I hadn’t added to this sub-forum, so hello from Kenya.

Morning everyone. Kenyan resident here, and acquired a Disco Mk1 for a thing called Rhino Charge, a charity event raising money to preserve water courses coming down the Mountain (Charity is called Rhino Ark). The car was #43 last year, however we’ll be competing under #61 this coming year...
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dag019 said:
Building it and considering it new does not mean you have added value. Just looking through the pictures there are some very expensive items that will not have added value to the vehicle. Couple of easy examples, roof rack (guessing about £1k), winch setup (guessing about £1k), only considering parts costs, but that will not have added any value to the vehicle in my opinion. Same with any of the underbody protection, tree slider, wheels, etc, large parts and labour cost, but no additional value to the vehicle.
Some items that you have built into it that will add value to the vehicle, like the pop up roof, also hugely limit the interested market to a small specific group who want that, but again it will not add the same value that it cost to buy and install.

I am not familiar with UK overland prices but a quick look on ebay would put a, on the face of it, similar vehicle at between 20-30k (LINK). The £69k asking price you have puts it in line with this one (LINK), or in line with @meego comments about buyers who want a shiny expensive "new one" but don't know what they are looking at with some of the overpriced professional restoration company vehicles (LINK)
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That 130 is so cool :)
 
Think I'm going to change both UK and Kenya adverts to OFFERS, as well as put up in SA (they have money and are mad overlanders) and see where things go..... the joy of Landy ownership when things go a bit wrong :)
 
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