UK number plate rules

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Austin Shackles

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OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
towing vehicle.

do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?

I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
also display another one.

 
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
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>
>
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of

the
> towing vehicle.
>
> do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>
> I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put

both
> numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but

it'll
> also display another one.
>


The rule is the same here in France.
But I never saw any trailer with two plates ??
If the 2 plates are registered at the same adress, maybe it's possible ??
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What happens if you want to hire a trailer for a day? This ruling sounds
completely daft!

I have seen a slightly different situation here, where one of the local dive
operators, uses small box trailers to shove all the dive kit in when going
from his dive shop - in town - to the beach - about 2km away. When all his
trailers are in one place you will notice that they all have exactly the
same reg no.

Regards
Stephen


 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number
> of the towing vehicle.
>
> do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>
> I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could
> put both numbers on it... then it will automatically display the
> right one, but it'll also display another one.


I run a trailer with one number which is towed by four vehicles at
times, though not usually simultaneously ;-)
Never had any problem or stops because of it.
AFAIK as long as they are registered to the same owner there should be
no problem. OTOH this may be an industry specific dispensation similar
to tachograph dispensation.

Huw


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On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:04:40 +0100, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number
>> of the towing vehicle.
>>
>> do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>>
>> I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could
>> put both numbers on it... then it will automatically display the
>> right one, but it'll also display another one.

>
>I run a trailer with one number which is towed by four vehicles at
>times, though not usually simultaneously ;-)
>Never had any problem or stops because of it.
>AFAIK as long as they are registered to the same owner there should be
>no problem. OTOH this may be an industry specific dispensation similar
>to tachograph dispensation.


AIUI it used to be the case that provided you displayed a number registered
to you, then this was OK. However, ISTR reading that the rules had changed
and that you now have to display a number that matches the front end.


here:

(1) This regulation applies to vehicles, other than works trucks, road
rollers and agricultural machines, first registered on or after the relevant
date.

(2) A registration plate must be fixed on the rear of :-

(a) the vehicle, or

(b) where the vehicle is towing a trailer, the trailer, or

(c) where the vehicle is towing more than one trailer, the rearmost
trailer.

however, I can't see anything that says you can't also display another plate
as well. They're even both illuminated :)

 
Austin Shackles vaguely muttered something like ...
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of
> the towing vehicle.
>
> do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>
> I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put
> both numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one,
> but it'll also display another one.


I think so. When we looked it up, and I can't remember the link (done a
format since), we thought the wording was ambiguous enough to make us buy a
number plate for both cars, for all the trailers [1] we have. It also stops
plod from doing a double-take and pulling you anyway.

We use sticky back velcro on those that we swap amd haven't lost one yet.

[1] camping, motocycle, box, horse and caravan ... jeez I didn't realise we
had five trailers, and not one large enough for a trialler Landrover ...
though the caravan chassis might make a semi-decent braked trailer in a year
or two .. ;);)

--
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"A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using."


 
In article <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>
>
>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
>towing vehicle.
>
>do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>
>I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
>numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
>also display another one.
>


Coming along the A5 through N Wales last year we got pulled over by the
local constable. The number on the trailer didn't match the towing
vehicle. In this case the plate had been supplied by the dealer when the
vehicle was new, but they had made a mistake, and put different plates
on the front and back, and the "extra" plate was the wrong one. The
owner has since corrected this.


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I am sure the law if it exists cannot be universal as in a recovery or a
delivery situation numbers on trailers would be routinely different from the
towing vehicle.

The best solution might just be to have a number of plates hashed up that
can be quickly fixed in position.


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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of

the
> towing vehicle.
>
> do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>
> I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put

both
> numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but

it'll
> also display another one.
>



 
On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:26:59 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>I am sure the law if it exists cannot be universal as in a recovery or a
>delivery situation numbers on trailers would be routinely different from the
>towing vehicle.


recovery and delivery types have various kinds of dispensation and/or trade
plates, though.
>
>The best solution might just be to have a number of plates hashed up that
>can be quickly fixed in position.


I've stuck both of 'em on. If anyone complains, I'll furnish a way of
covering up the one that ain't applicable.

 
Actually having two plates and a cover for the one that does not apply seems
a very practical solution.

As for me I wonder if I am technically breaking the law by having an askew
number plate on the front held on the radiator grill by copper wire. (it was
good enough for the MOT)

I could easily mount it otherwise, but the eccentricity of it is growing on
me :)

I just wish I qualified for the black and silver ones.


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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:26:59 +0100, "Larry"

<[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
> recovery and delivery types have various kinds of dispensation and/or

trade
> plates, though.
> >
> >The best solution might just be to have a number of plates hashed up that
> >can be quickly fixed in position.

>
> I've stuck both of 'em on. If anyone complains, I'll furnish a way of
> covering up the one that ain't applicable.
>



 
Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
> towing vehicle.
>
> do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>
> I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
> numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
> also display another one.
>



Over here in Ireland, you're only supposed to have 1 number on display,
and it must match the towing vehicle.

Or so the (very!) nice female Garda (Irish police officer) informed me a
couple of years ago :)
I had 3 numbers on the back- my mate's truck number on the borrowed
trailer, the number of the dead 90 on the trailer, and my own number on
the tail-light board tied to the trailer.

A few strips of insulating tape over the incorrect numbers fixed it all
up, and everyone continued about their business.


I don't know what the exact situation is in the U.K., but whenever I'm
towing anything over there, I ensure that I'm only displaying 1
(correct) number.
Perhaps it doesn't matter, but I'd rather keep interactions with the
constabulary to a minimum :)


Ivor.
 
On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:25:37 +0100, Mr.Nice.
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>>
>>
>>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
>>towing vehicle.
>>
>>do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>>
>>I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
>>numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
>>also display another one.

>
>would I be right in thinking that you could put a numberplate on, say,
>the back of your roof rack and as long at your trailer isn't tall
>enough to obscure it then you don't need a plate on the trailer?


nope. see my reply elsewhere in this thread, which quotes the relevant bit
of the legislation.

I've not seen anything that precludes fitting another plate as well, though.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:25:37 +0100, Mr.Nice.
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
>>>towing vehicle.
>>>
>>>do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>>>
>>>I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
>>>numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
>>>also display another one.

>>
>>would I be right in thinking that you could put a numberplate on, say,
>>the back of your roof rack and as long at your trailer isn't tall
>>enough to obscure it then you don't need a plate on the trailer?

>
>
> nope. see my reply elsewhere in this thread, which quotes the relevant bit
> of the legislation.
>
> I've not seen anything that precludes fitting another plate as well, though.


I've been following this thread since it started, but I'm puzzled by
some things which have been said.

Do you have to supply your own number plates? Here in Australia, the
relevant state Transport Department provide the number plates. Trailers
have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
towing them.
 
On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:58:05 +1000, Graeme Willox
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:25:37 +0100, Mr.Nice.
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>>><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
>>>>towing vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>>>>
>>>>I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
>>>>numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
>>>>also display another one.
>>>
>>>would I be right in thinking that you could put a numberplate on, say,
>>>the back of your roof rack and as long at your trailer isn't tall
>>>enough to obscure it then you don't need a plate on the trailer?

>>
>>
>> nope. see my reply elsewhere in this thread, which quotes the relevant bit
>> of the legislation.
>>
>> I've not seen anything that precludes fitting another plate as well, though.

>
>I've been following this thread since it started, but I'm puzzled by
>some things which have been said.
>
>Do you have to supply your own number plates? Here in Australia, the
>relevant state Transport Department provide the number plates. Trailers
>have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
>towing them.


different here. Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in the
USofA?

here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number allocated.
trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.

 
Graeme Willox wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:25:37 +0100, Mr.Nice.
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>>><[email protected]> put finger to keyboard producing:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of
>>>>the towing vehicle.
>>>>
>>>>do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?
>>>>
>>>>I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put
>>>>both numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one,
>>>>but it'll also display another one.
>>>
>>>would I be right in thinking that you could put a numberplate on, say,
>>>the back of your roof rack and as long at your trailer isn't tall
>>>enough to obscure it then you don't need a plate on the trailer?

>>
>>
>> nope. see my reply elsewhere in this thread, which quotes the relevant
>> bit of the legislation.
>>
>> I've not seen anything that precludes fitting another plate as well,
>> though.

>
> I've been following this thread since it started, but I'm puzzled by
> some things which have been said.
>
> Do you have to supply your own number plates? Here in Australia, the
> relevant state Transport Department provide the number plates. Trailers
> have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
> towing them.

Not in all states. In Victoria at least, small trailers do not have to be
registered and they do have to display the number of the towing vehicle -
and you supply your own number plate - usually freehand with a two inch
brush.
 
Austin Shackles wrote:

(snip)
>>
>>I've been following this thread since it started, but I'm puzzled by
>>some things which have been said.
>>
>>Do you have to supply your own number plates? Here in Australia, the
>>relevant state Transport Department provide the number plates. Trailers
>>have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
>>towing them.

>
> different here. Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in the
> USofA?


They are called number plates - the term "licence plates" is an unwanted
Americanism that has only appeared in the last twenty years. The plates are
issued by the relevant State authority (except WA used to be the local
government, may still be) when the vehicle is registered for use on the
road, and must be returned to them when the registration is allowed to
lapse, which may be when it is scrapped, moved interstate, or taken off the
road for any reason. Numbers may be reissued to another vehicle at the
authority's discretion, or the registration may be transferred to your new
car.
About fifty years ago the states came to an agreement where the then
existing systems of numbers (which varied, but typically were either a
simple number, up to six digits, or two letters followed by three numbers)
was replaced by three letters followed by three numbers, with the alphabet
of the first letter allocated to the states in proportion to the state
population, and additionally plates from adjoining states different
colours. For example, NSW had A-F, black on yellow, Victoria G-M, white on
black, Qld N-Q, white on black. Z followed by a four digit number was
allocated to Federal government cars. (Most states have a separate system
for trailers and motorbikes)
This system ran out of numbers, even reusing cancelled numbers, quite a few
years ago, and most states simply continued with the same system, but using
letters which were originally allocated to other states (The number plates
have always been marked with the state name or abbreviation). Victoria
changed the colour to green on white and restarted from A, Qld changed to
putting the numbers first and started from A.
Just last month, NSW, where I live, ran out of numbers at ZZZ-999 and
restarted a new system with two letters, two numbers, two letters.
In addition, over the last twenty years all states have started selling
premium plates, where for an additional fee you can have a number plate not
in the regular sequence - and the variety of these seems to be limited only
by your imagination! (plus what others already have)

The number plates are a standard size (usually motorbike and sometimes
trailer plates are smaller), and this standard causes problems with many
imported cars. For example, they are about half an inch too wide to fit
next to the back door or tailgate on a S2/3/90/110 and too high to fit in
spaces designed for the English height numbers. (I think the digits are the
same size, but there is an allowance for the state name at the top plus a
border.)

>
> here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number allocated.
> trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.


See my earlier post about trailers. As you can see from the above, the
registration number may or may not convey anything about its age, and may
change during its life. For example, my 110 has had three numbers in its
life. It was first registered in the Northern Territory, then sold to
Victoria, where it acquired a new number, which it retained when I bought
it, but then changed again when I moved to NSW.
Hope this clarifies matters.
JD

 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:58:05 +1000, Graeme Willox
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:


>
>
> different here. Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in the
> USofA?
>
> here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number allocated.
> trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.
>


I'm not sure how it works in the USA, so I can't really compare. We
call them either vehicle registration plates or number plates and
they're attached to the vehicle when it's registered for use on public
roads.

Here, a licence is a permit, issued for up to 5 years, which authorises
a person to drive a registered vehicle on the road. Our license has
no relationship at all to the number plate.
 
Is that not issued until the ripe old age of 70?
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:56:28 +1000, Graeme Willox
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:58:05 +1000, Graeme Willox
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>> different here. Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in
>> the
>> USofA?
>> here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number
>> allocated.
>> trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.
>>

>
> I'm not sure how it works in the USA, so I can't really compare. We
> call them either vehicle registration plates or number plates and
> they're attached to the vehicle when it's registered for use on public
> roads.
>
> Here, a licence is a permit, issued for up to 5 years, which authorises
> a person to drive a registered vehicle on the road. Our license has
> no relationship at all to the number plate.




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Peter Taylor wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:56:28 +1000, Graeme Willox
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>>> On or around Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:58:05 +1000, Graeme Willox
>>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>>> different here. Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in
>>> the
>>> USofA?
>>> here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number
>>> allocated.
>>> trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.
>>>

>>
>> I'm not sure how it works in the USA, so I can't really compare. We
>> call them either vehicle registration plates or number plates and
>> they're attached to the vehicle when it's registered for use on public
>> roads.
>>
>> Here, a licence is a permit, issued for up to 5 years, which authorises
>> a person to drive a registered vehicle on the road. Our license has
>> no relationship at all to the number plate.

>
>
> Is that not issued until the ripe old age of 70?


>
>

Not in NSW, Qld or Vic, that I know from personal experience. My 10yr NSW
licence comes up for renewal next month, but I know they are now only
available for five years - the government found that 10 yr licences meant a
loss of revenue when they increased the fees since it took so long before
everyone had to pay them. The requirement for a new licence is to front up
and get a new photo taken and pass an (easy) eyesight test. Oh! and pay
your fee.

The five year licence is available until you get to (I think) 75, when it
becomes an annual one subject to a medical and driving test. When you
initially get a licence after passing the required test, you get a
provisional licence that requires you to display a "P" front and rear and
subjects you to lower speed limits and a wider range of offences for
immediate loss of licence. This has recently become a two stage affair
over, I think, three years, with a further test at each stage.
JD

 
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