Tranny problems

My truck will only go in gear with the engine off, once it is on and I
try to shift it grinds really bad and will not go in gear.
Does anyone know what this might be?

Any fluid in your clutch?

Mike
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88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> My truck will only go in gear with the engine off, once it is on and I
> try to shift it grinds really bad and will not go in gear.
> Does anyone know what this might be?

[email protected] wrote:
> My truck will only go in gear with the engine off, once it is on and I
> try to shift it grinds really bad and will not go in gear.
> Does anyone know what this might be?
>
Sounds like the clutch is not releasing.

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On Sat, 06 May 2006 16:01:12 -0600, ".boB"
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Sounds like the clutch is not releasing.


Or not completely releasing
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Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
..boB wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > My truck will only go in gear with the engine off, once it is on and I
> > try to shift it grinds really bad and will not go in gear.
> > Does anyone know what this might be?
> >
> Sounds like the clutch is not releasing.
>
> --
> .boB
> Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red.
> 1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver
> 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z
> 2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
> 1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
> 1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

On 6 May 2006 17:46:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
>.boB wrote:

Like, maybe 'replace clutch'?

First check the clutch linkage (if hydraulic, check fluid level, if
mechanical check for damage.)

If linkage is OK, then it is probably the clutch or pressure plate.

The clutch is new, Maybe its the wrong clutch or installed wrong? I
just got this truck recently, so far I have changed the master/slave
cylinder for the hydro tranny and that did not fix it. Was just trying
to get second opinions before dropping the tranny.
PeterD wrote:
> On 6 May 2006 17:46:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
> >.boB wrote:
>
> Like, maybe 'replace clutch'?
>
> First check the clutch linkage (if hydraulic, check fluid level, if
> mechanical check for damage.)
>
> If linkage is OK, then it is probably the clutch or pressure plate.

[email protected] wrote:
> Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
> .boB wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>My truck will only go in gear with the engine off, once it is on and I
>>>try to shift it grinds really bad and will not go in gear.
>>>Does anyone know what this might be?
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like the clutch is not releasing.
>>
>>--
>>.boB
>>Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red.
>>1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver
>> 1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z
>>2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
>>1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
>>1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.
>
>
The usual problem is with the clutch linkage, rather than the clutch/pressure
plate itself. If you have amechanical linkage, crawl under there and make the
adjustment. It's not too difficult, and usually it's pretty obvious where the
adjustment mechanism is. It usually take longer to put it up on jack stands than to
do the actual adjustment.
If it's a hydraulic clutch, it gets more expensive. Often there is no external
adjustment. When it stops working you have to start replacing expensive parts. But
check fluid and bleed the system before replacing anything.

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Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red.
1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver
1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

On 6 May 2006 21:07:17 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>The clutch is new

Nothing better than telling the whole story the first time!

>, Maybe its the wrong clutch or installed wrong?

Who installed it?

>I
>just got this truck recently, so far I have changed the master/slave
>cylinder for the hydro tranny

hydro tranny? what's that?

>and that did not fix it. Was just trying
>to get second opinions before dropping the tranny.

Did it have the problem *before* replacing the clutch? Did the problem
show up immediately after replacing the clutch?

>PeterD wrote:
>> On 6 May 2006 17:46:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
>> >.boB wrote:
>>
>> Like, maybe 'replace clutch'?
>>
>> First check the clutch linkage (if hydraulic, check fluid level, if
>> mechanical check for damage.)
>>
>> If linkage is OK, then it is probably the clutch or pressure plate.

hydro= hydraulic, I have no idea who installed the clutch, but im
pretty sure it is the culprit, i've read that if you overtorque the
Pressure plate it can cause this problem.
PeterD wrote:
> On 6 May 2006 21:07:17 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >The clutch is new
>
> Nothing better than telling the whole story the first time!
>
> >, Maybe its the wrong clutch or installed wrong?
>
> Who installed it?
>
> >I
> >just got this truck recently, so far I have changed the master/slave
> >cylinder for the hydro tranny
>
> hydro tranny? what's that?
>
> >and that did not fix it. Was just trying
> >to get second opinions before dropping the tranny.
>
> Did it have the problem *before* replacing the clutch? Did the problem
> show up immediately after replacing the clutch?
>
> >PeterD wrote:
> >> On 6 May 2006 17:46:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
> >> >.boB wrote:
> >>
> >> Like, maybe 'replace clutch'?
> >>
> >> First check the clutch linkage (if hydraulic, check fluid level, if
> >> mechanical check for damage.)
> >>
> >> If linkage is OK, then it is probably the clutch or pressure plate.

So it recently started doing this 'after' the clutch job or did you get
the thing like this?

Is there any fluid in the clutch master cylinder reservoir? If it is
low, it can cause your troubles. Sometime they leak when replaced....

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> hydro= hydraulic, I have no idea who installed the clutch, but im
> pretty sure it is the culprit, i've read that if you overtorque the
> Pressure plate it can cause this problem.
> PeterD wrote:
> > On 6 May 2006 21:07:17 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> > >The clutch is new
> >
> > Nothing better than telling the whole story the first time!
> >
> > >, Maybe its the wrong clutch or installed wrong?
> >
> > Who installed it?
> >
> > >I
> > >just got this truck recently, so far I have changed the master/slave
> > >cylinder for the hydro tranny
> >
> > hydro tranny? what's that?
> >
> > >and that did not fix it. Was just trying
> > >to get second opinions before dropping the tranny.
> >
> > Did it have the problem *before* replacing the clutch? Did the problem
> > show up immediately after replacing the clutch?
> >
> > >PeterD wrote:
> > >> On 6 May 2006 17:46:20 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Do you know what could cause this, any possible solutions.
> > >> >.boB wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Like, maybe 'replace clutch'?
> > >>
> > >> First check the clutch linkage (if hydraulic, check fluid level, if
> > >> mechanical check for damage.)
> > >>
> > >> If linkage is OK, then it is probably the clutch or pressure plate.

I got the truck like this, the master/slave cylinders have been
replaced and refilled.

[email protected] wrote:
> hydro= hydraulic, I have no idea who installed the clutch, but im
> pretty sure it is the culprit, i've read that if you overtorque the
> Pressure plate it can cause this problem.

Hmmm. It's pretty hard to overtorque the pressure plate. But I guess you could
do it if you really tried. Still, I don't see how that would keep the clutch from
releasing.
On a new clutch, it could be a lot of things. Since you didn't install it, it's
pretty hard to tell what might have been done incorrectly.
Installation of the clutch disc and pressure plate is almost idiot proof.
Almost. The pressure plate only goes on one way, hard to mess that up. The clutch
disc has a sticker on it telling you which side goes toward the engine. If you
installed the disc backwards, it probably wouldn't release all the way; so that's a
possibility.
The throw out bearing can also be installed incorrectly, and that's not too
difficult to do if you're not paying attention.

Check the hydraulics first, though. When you press in the clutch, the ram
should extend a certain amount. Your service manual should tell you how much. If it
doesn't, you'll have to follow the troubleshooting guide and find out why.


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..boB
Arrived: 2006 FXDI, Red.
1997 HD FXDWG - Turbocharged Stolen 11/26/05 in Denver
1HD1GEL10VY3200010 CO License J5822Z
2001 Dodge Dakota QC 5.9/4x4/3.92
1966 Mustang Coupe - Daily Driver
1965 FFR Cobra - 427W EFI, Damn Fast.

Ok, then you need to have someone watching the slave while you push on
the clutch pedal to see if it moves.

It could just have air in the system if it doesn't move or only moves a
little, then drops back slightly. The watcher needs to pay attention
to that.

If it's that, then it needs to be bled before going on more.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
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[email protected] wrote:
>
> I got the truck like this, the master/slave cylinders have been
> replaced and refilled.

On 7 May 2006 11:20:08 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>hydro= hydraulic, I have no idea who installed the clutch, but im
>pretty sure it is the culprit, i've read that if you overtorque the
>Pressure plate it can cause this problem.


Over torquing plate will not cause thiis. Warping from inproper
installion or the wrong type or wrong throwout bearing(or improperly
installed one) can cause this as can the wrong disc too. Sorry but
tranny needs to come out.
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