The next unofficial... Keswick anyone?

On or around Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:27:43 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>>>>>I personally could do 18th to 23rd April, This avoids the bank
>>>>>holidays , 1 because it's busy and 2 because I get paid humongous
>>>>>amounts of money to work them. These Dates also happen to be in Half
>>>>>term (at least for our school).
>>>
>>>Doubt we'd be able to make it (
>>>
>>>Half term is Emma's busy period, and April is mine.
>>>
>>
>> snot half term.
>
>Yours or ours? Welsh half terms are generally at different times to the ones
>in England. In fact they vary alot across england. Emma's business is
>Worscestershire and mine Warwickshire, generally speaking the two rarely
>seem to coincide.

I venture to suggest that April is likely to be the Easter Holidays...

End of spring term here is 13th April, which is a Thursday, which I suspect
means that the 14th is Good Friday.

Arf-term here is 20th-24th February, inclusive.

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>>Yours or ours? Welsh half terms are generally at different times to the
>>ones
>>in England. In fact they vary alot across england. Emma's business is
>>Worscestershire and mine Warwickshire, generally speaking the two rarely
>>seem to coincide.
>
> I venture to suggest that April is likely to be the Easter Holidays...
>
> End of spring term here is 13th April, which is a Thursday, which I
> suspect
> means that the 14th is Good Friday.
>
> Arf-term here is 20th-24th February, inclusive.

Ok fair comment, hadn't really thought about it properly. That makes it
worse if anything, esp. for Emma, she is usually flat out round easter, what
with selling chickens an all.

Graham

....and Lee_D spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


>
> What do you think to these?
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N17D2580C
>

Looks like a load of balls to me.

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During stardate Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:53:55 +0100, "Graham G"
<[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:


>Ok fair comment, hadn't really thought about it properly. That makes it
>worse if anything, esp. for Emma, she is usually flat out round easter, what
>with selling chickens an all.
>
>Graham
>

Thats if they still sell them then :0[

Lee D
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>>Ok fair comment, hadn't really thought about it properly. That makes it
>>worse if anything, esp. for Emma, she is usually flat out round easter,
>>what
>>with selling chickens an all.
>>
>>Graham
>>
>
> Thats if they still sell them then :0[

Quite! Hope for our sakes and everyone elses that they do. Emma is remaining
optimistic, she doesn't believe the threat to be that serious atm. What I
find worrying is that the government could force her to destroy all her
birds (some 3000 plus) and yet offer no form of compensation. She cannot
even get insurace because no company seems to recognise chickens as stock
worth coverage. Is the same for any other person keeping poultry, could see
a lot of businesses go under. In Emma's case she breeds rare breed chickens.
She has some 147 breeds, some of which she has the main breeding group in
the country. She estimates that if she had to kill all her birds the country
would probably loose in the region of 50 breeds for ever, and make many more
endangered. She was saying that if it occured they would find themselves
only able to sell approx 40 breeds. Apparently there are over 300 breeds of
chicken in the UK (then ducks geese etc on top) and she estimates we could
loose two thirds. Thats the most worrying thing.

Of course this is ignoring any human spread.

Graham

During stardate Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:22:20 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:


>The name for that one is Jim Samson at Overlander Training - he has
>(had?) access to the special activities area there and is a great bloke
>to boot.
>
>P.


Close! And yes Jim is a cracking chap... sufferes a VM affliction
similar to that I had.

These chaps also run events and are the peeps I'm trying to swing
something for us....

http://www.bofa4x4.com/

....time will tell.

Lee D
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On or around Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:16:14 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>...and Lee_D spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>>
>> What do you think to these?
>>
>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?N17D2580C
>>
>
>Looks like a load of balls to me.

I thought that, too. Couldn't work out where they were supposed to fit on a
landy.
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On or around Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:23:29 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Quite! Hope for our sakes and everyone elses that they do. Emma is remaining
>optimistic, she doesn't believe the threat to be that serious atm. What I
>find worrying is that the government could force her to destroy all her
>birds (some 3000 plus) and yet offer no form of compensation.

All sorts of people had similar problems in the moot an fouth a bit back.

I'd have thought there would be enough outcry about it that they'd have to
do some sort of compensation, but you never know. The people who lost out
worst in the F&M were the ones like me sister and BiL who were not in a
culling zone, but nevertheless weren't allowed to move any stock and lost
out bigtime as a result, and, of course, got no compo.

Keep us informed: we can all write to MPs if necessary...

One aspect of that was that you weren't allowed to move stock from whwer
they were to bring them inside for lambing, say, and as a result, the sheep
ended up lambing in what was by then something rather like a swamp;
conditions which baby lambs can't survive reliably. I know me sister was
very upset about it.

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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:31:13 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I thought that, too. Couldn't work out where they were supposed to fit on a
>landy.

You need to buy two, stick them in an old sock, and hang from the
middle of the rear crossmember...

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:38:23 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Keep us informed: we can all write to MPs if necessary...

Sorry to say, but this is a total waste of time.

Best option, IMO, is a pre-emptive strike buy media. Get Radio 4 onto
it...


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>>Quite! Hope for our sakes and everyone elses that they do. Emma is
>>remaining
>>optimistic, she doesn't believe the threat to be that serious atm. What I
>>find worrying is that the government could force her to destroy all her
>>birds (some 3000 plus) and yet offer no form of compensation.
>
> All sorts of people had similar problems in the moot an fouth a bit back.
>
> I'd have thought there would be enough outcry about it that they'd have to
> do some sort of compensation, but you never know. The people who lost out
> worst in the F&M were the ones like me sister and BiL who were not in a
> culling zone, but nevertheless weren't allowed to move any stock and lost
> out bigtime as a result, and, of course, got no compo.
>
> Keep us informed: we can all write to MPs if necessary...
>
> One aspect of that was that you weren't allowed to move stock from whwer
> they were to bring them inside for lambing, say, and as a result, the
> sheep
> ended up lambing in what was by then something rather like a swamp;
> conditions which baby lambs can't survive reliably. I know me sister was
> very upset about it.

you are preaching to the choir on that one. My best mate had his herd
culled, as a result of a ministry man appearing on the farm having got the
wrong address. My auntie had all her animals killed as a result of being
inside a risk zone. Another friend of mine had all his sheep killed on the
welfare scheme, cos he couldn't move them and they were dying in a field of
mud. I was lambing sheep for a University at the time, we had to break the
rules in order to get sheep out of a flooded field. It was awful, really
hope it doesn't come to that again.

The problem at the moment is that for whatever reason the government has yet
to recognise chickens as farm animals, and as such no compensation or
insurance is available. Seems like nonscence, but its true! Can't remember
what they are classified as atm but its something silly like domestic
animals not commercial. As you say, you would hope that might change if
anything happened, but going on the governments past performance, I won't be
holding my breath.

Money issues aside, it would be a real shame to loose so many breeds like
that if it were avoidable. Current thinking is that 'farmers' will be made
to keep their poultry inside at all times. Those that cannot comply will be
forced to enter a compulsory culling scheme. This would have several major
implications. Given Emma's chichens are all free range (with little houses)
it would be impossible to move them indoors. My fathers rearing enterprise
would be in much the same situation as would most free range farms. The
result of course would be a move back to intensive systems. Emma also thinks
that it would spell the end of any organic enterprises, since disease in
houses would be impossible to control without medicines.

Very worrying indeed.

Graham

During stardate Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:33:11 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> uttered the imortal words:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:31:13 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I thought that, too. Couldn't work out where they were supposed to fit on a
>>landy.
>
>You need to buy two, stick them in an old sock, and hang from the
>middle of the rear crossmember...

No....it's not on my present list ofconsidered places to shove a old
sock.


Lee D
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During stardate Mon, 24 Oct 2005 17:25:18 +0100, "Graham G"
<[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:


>
>Might have a lead for Eastnor castle too. That one will be slow though.
>might be do-able for next october.
>
>If anyone is interested in doing it in the cotswolds or in the Stratford
>upon Avon area, that would be reasonably simple to arrange.
>
>I'll stick with the devon one for the time being unless I get told
>different.
>
>Graham
>

Have they got a different off road course now? I think I inadvertently
followed a Landrover trying to get to the show ground across the off
road course it was quite difficult in my 2wd Granada Scorpio.

:0)

Lee D
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:24:12 +0100, Lee_D
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>Might have a lead for Eastnor castle too. That one will be slow though.
>>might be do-able for next october.
>
>Have they got a different off road course now? I think I inadvertently
>followed a Landrover trying to get to the show ground across the off
>road course it was quite difficult in my 2wd Granada Scorpio.

Oh I dunno. There are over 250 miles of different tracks and courses
that have been known to break the most severe offroad prepared Landies
ever built. Tis why Ford have agreed to extend the contract to use
them and renew the other (very expensive) leases they own there.

(You are talking about Eastnor, aren't you?)


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During stardate Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:09:32 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> uttered the imortal words:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:24:12 +0100, Lee_D
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Might have a lead for Eastnor castle too. That one will be slow though.
>>>might be do-able for next october.
>>
>>Have they got a different off road course now? I think I inadvertently
>>followed a Landrover trying to get to the show ground across the off
>>road course it was quite difficult in my 2wd Granada Scorpio.
>
>Oh I dunno. There are over 250 miles of different tracks and courses
>that have been known to break the most severe offroad prepared Landies
>ever built. Tis why Ford have agreed to extend the contract to use
>them and renew the other (very expensive) leases they own there.
>
>(You are talking about Eastnor, aren't you?)

If it's the same course the Eastnor Castle show uses yes. If not no.
Admittedly we didn't deliberately drive through it, Just followed the
Landy havin got lost. Pulled up when we saw an official who advised us
we were in the middle of the off road drive but to carry on we'd be
ok, probably because it was a Ford site ;-)

Lee D
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:15:25 +0100, Lee_D
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>(You are talking about Eastnor, aren't you?)
>
>If it's the same course the Eastnor Castle show uses yes. If not no.

The course(s) used for the LRW show have to be fairly safe. There are
several hundred miles of alternatives there - all around Deer Park. I
(and Charlotte, who's walked a fair number of them) could show you
some routes that'd make you feel unsteady _walking_ them, let alone
trying to take a Landie around them

Only trouble is, due to the vehicles they test there, and the use that
some of the routes get, they are not easily navigable in an 101 Ambi -
lest you want (as I did) to bring back several substantial sized
branches...


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of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

>>>Have they got a different off road course now? I think I inadvertently
>>>followed a Landrover trying to get to the show ground across the off
>>>road course it was quite difficult in my 2wd Granada Scorpio.
>>
>>Oh I dunno. There are over 250 miles of different tracks and courses
>>that have been known to break the most severe offroad prepared Landies
>>ever built. Tis why Ford have agreed to extend the contract to use
>>them and renew the other (very expensive) leases they own there.
>>
>>(You are talking about Eastnor, aren't you?)
>
> If it's the same course the Eastnor Castle show uses yes. If not no.
> Admittedly we didn't deliberately drive through it, Just followed the
> Landy havin got lost. Pulled up when we saw an official who advised us
> we were in the middle of the off road drive but to carry on we'd be
> ok, probably because it was a Ford site ;-)

Have been round several of there different courses and as Martyl says, they
range from the sublime to the ridiculous. They do have to cater for
freelanders you know ;o)

Graham

Mother wrote:
> lest you want (as I did) to bring back several substantial sized
> branches...

We always need substantial sized branches.
Steve

In message <[email protected]>
Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:15:25 +0100, Lee_D
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>(You are talking about Eastnor, aren't you?)
> >
> >If it's the same course the Eastnor Castle show uses yes. If not no.
>
> The course(s) used for the LRW show have to be fairly safe. There are
> several hundred miles of alternatives there - all around Deer Park. I
> (and Charlotte, who's walked a fair number of them) could show you
> some routes that'd make you feel unsteady _walking_ them, let alone
> trying to take a Landie around them
>
> Only trouble is, due to the vehicles they test there, and the use that
> some of the routes get, they are not easily navigable in an 101 Ambi -
> lest you want (as I did) to bring back several substantial sized
> branches...
>
>

The ARC Nationals (50th Aniversary) were held there, using quite a
lot of the site for the RTV/CCV/Comp. Well, lets just say the two lanes
near Mam Tor were more challenging (until the Peak Park "mended" them).

As for the famous "Gearbox Hill" that everyone told me was so hard (I
was working at Rover at the time) - damp squib........ It just
left me even more convinced that LR's engineers and marketing staff
really need to join clubs and find out what their products *really* get
used for, like they used to in the 50's and 60's.

Richard
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During stardate Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:40:45 +0100, Lee_D
<[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:

>I've pinged Dave Mitchells Landcraft site to see what they may be able
>to come up with and for any local camp site recomendations too.
>
>Lee D

Right,

Answer from Dave Mitchells chaps. Yes they can accomodate us for a
days off roading. They can also point us to some nearby camp sites who
are used to groups of off roaders.

For the Off roading the prices work out at, "The daily site hire is
£352.50 for the first 5 vehicles + £25.00 for each
additional vehicle, and includes 1 of our team in their own vehicle,
to give
help and advice, etc during the day."

At first I needed to take a cold shower but then I sat down and did
some maths.

10 Vehicles would work out at £47.75 each.

15 at £40.17 each

20 at £36.38 each

and so on. I've not bothered to work it out any further as I don't
think we would be likely to turn up more than 20 and B I've no upper
limit on attendance at present. I think the 15 vehicle quote is fair
and anything above that a bonus (don't forget help on hand for those
new to muddyness).

If we formally invite the 101 FC unofficial crew we can make up the
numbers much higher, Although I suspect Grahame May be oranising an
unofficial already specifically aimed at the 101 FC owners if the
article in "six stud" is owt to go by (101 Official club mag).

Thoughts peeps?

Camping will of course be in addition. I'm sure someone knows some
Welsh lanes we can do too on the other days.

Whats more theres Plenty of castles and Beaches to trip to for days
out as well (Thinking other half and Kids entertainment).

Lee D
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