Techniques

Vambo · Oct 13, 2007

Yeah OK, I ask for a slagging. But if it has good advice behind it I don't mind. That's what we're here for. I'm not going to burst out greetin' about it. I'm too long in the tooth for that.
So -
I think firing through muddy waterholes on your bellypan is risky, but it does sound helluva fun

Plus attacking mud is my favoured technique and serves well. So fair point.

Top Hat Man asks if avoiding ruts isn't the answer. Well, if you can but most tracks are limited width and you can't. But if memory serves; the Russkies (or Eastern European country ?) make a 4x4 which is a foot or so wider than standard for that very reason. To ride outwith the ruts. Dunno what it's called or if I'm imagining things.
Again. If you start doing that, the very well made point is that you widen tracks and further degrade the land.

By the way Yella, I haven't read a lot of cock here yet. But if there is, then let us know what. Maybe even why...
I think we're agreed there is little substitute for learning from others or getting tuition. But is it a masonic rite? Will I have my tongue buried on the foreshore for discussing techniques?
Seems to be. I hunted all over this site thinking it would be a foremost topic. But Nada...not a sausage. It's why I started the thread.

C'mon mate you must have a nugget or two to share.

Griffdowg · Oct 13, 2007

no nuggets, just sheep

slob · Oct 13, 2007

Griffdowg said:
no nuggets, just sheep

but he dunt share them

Universally_Challenged · Oct 13, 2007

redhand said:
This **** should have read this thread furst

dam, at least im not the only one. happened to me on a pete marsh on a hymac. one minute your there, 5 seconds later your not, you gotta get that arm moving before your injun stops.

david451 · Oct 13, 2007

Griffdowg said:
what tyres dave?

i posted a thread about waffles in the offroad section. throw in a best offer on ebay for 15 or 20quid (plus 13 P&P).

ground anchors are simple, just nose the spade in and whn you winch it digs in. the MOD ones use plates and big spikes. cant imagine these are much good in gravelly, clay terrain and you need to carry a sledge hammer around everywhere.

check out X eng. they have a new anchor available and its super light. maybe you could base your design on that?

waffles are about 7-8kg each and are 4ft long, 1ft wide.

G

thank's for that advice

Widget · Oct 14, 2007

Off road techniques is not a hot topic for the simple reason that this is the wrong place for it. I'd get out there and learn from people who do it, don't just talk about it.

Having done that make your choice on wide/narrow tyres (if yer convinced that a inch width difference makes half a difference) and other expensive heavy shiny ****e you want to burden your truck down with.

Engage brain, tread lightly, enjoy.

Vambo · Oct 14, 2007

Traversing a slope. (with no defined road or track)

IMHO the single trickiest and most dangerous manoeuvre you'll ever encounter.
Advice to beginners. DON'T
Go down if you can, go along, come back up the slope. Go watch some off road trials, talk to a lot of people. Get as much info and observation as you can - but basically, if it can be avoided. Avoid it.

If you have to, invest in an inclinometer and sit it on your dash. Then try and find out what the maximum lean angle is for your Landy. (I don't know them) Then half it !
Bear in mind you may have lifted your Landy above factory standard with taller wheels and or springs/lift kit etc. This raises the centre of gravity of the body certainly. Though not always the chassis where most of the weight is. But it will still affect the safe lean angle. ie: reduce it.

Leaning over is one thing, traction another entirely.
Traversing a slope is the quickest way to lose the back end or even the front. It can happen quickly too.

This is one technique I don't have an answer for (surprise!) It's hard enough on two wheels and I've often slid down an incline with a bike lying on top of me. I have no wish to do that with a Landy.
I've only traversed once because I had to.
I had the seatbelts off, the windows open and ready to vacate the motor as quick as possible. If the back went I would steer hard downhill to flick the front up so I was rolling backwards. If the front went it would be steer down the slope and boot it. (Some may recommend staying with the vehicle strapped in - Ok if you have a roll cage maybe.)

By the way, I'm talking about traversing a naked slope here, not one with with a defined track across it. Anyway, traversing has my sphincter going like a rabbits nostrils on two wheels or four. Avoid.

G-man · Oct 14, 2007

i don't think the landy will end up on top of you like a bike will, oh and failed hillclimbs can be a bit dodgy when you have a bend half way up

1dirtylandy · Oct 14, 2007

Talking of sphincter twitching, a usefull bit of advice i learnt that you possibly already know is when your climbing steep hill, go up in a low gear to avoid gear changes half way up, i got caught by this some years ago and belive me it's not a nice sittuation to be in when it goes wrong and ur slideing backwards after lose of traction....

CharlesY · Oct 14, 2007

Griffdowg said:
i just noticed hes in ayrshire... isnt that scotty land and therefore different rules up there.

Embarrassing ...... sorry boys .....

If he dug up someone's lane up here doing that they would probably have the police on him for trespass causing property damage.

But if he plays on his own muddy patch and digs big wheely holes in it that's fine by all of us I reckon.

CharlesY

slob · Oct 14, 2007

Vambo said:
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Bear in mind you may have lifted your Landy above factory standard with taller wheels and or springs/lift kit etc. This raises the centre of gravity of the body certainly. THOUGH NOT ALWAYS THE CHASSIS where most of the weight is. But it will still affect the safe lean angle. ie: reduce it.

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how?

1dirtylandy · Oct 14, 2007

Yeah good point... But i found depending on the vehicle if i widen the wheel stance and add low dow weight you overcome this, i got a disco and look how top heavy they are and u should see angles i get that to...

CharlesY · Oct 14, 2007

On side slopes they tip over when the centre of mass point rises to above the contact point of the tyres on the ground on the low side.

Not only is there the slope angle to worry about, but the chassis and body will lean over on the suspension and make it a little worse.

A Defender and even a Discovery will go along CRAZY side slopes before tipping over.

No right-minded person would tackle slopes that steep.

CharlesY

david451 · Oct 14, 2007

Widget said:
Off road techniques is not a hot topic for the simple reason that this is the wrong place for it. I'd get out there and learn from people who do it, don't just talk about it.

Having done that make your choice on wide/narrow tyres (if yer convinced that a inch width difference makes half a difference) and other expensive heavy shiny ****e you want to burden your truck down with.

Engage brain, tread lightly, enjoy.

There's no substitute for experience and it's the wise man that learns from other peeps mistakes but the fool that learns from his own. So read watch and learn but at some stage it's going to go bottoms up anyway. that's murphy's law, all you can do is have fun doing it. Just like sex really.

Widget · Oct 15, 2007

Michelin have a few hints and tips on their web site.

Before Starting Out
Fording a river or crossing deep mud
Ascending or Descending
Steps or steep banks
Cross axle and ditches

Another observation is that noobs usually attempt inclines/obstacles in too low a gear for fear of stalling and looking daft.

GRUNT · Oct 15, 2007

There's a fair bit on the difflock site as well.

Pikey · Oct 15, 2007

Dave Kirby just wrote the baggy old disco off. Winch cable snapped on a winch challenge event and it shot backwards and rolled. He still drove it home though.

GRUNT · Oct 15, 2007

Where was he when he did it. It ud have to be well ferked for him not to drive it home!!!!

Pikey · Oct 15, 2007

Think he was at Tong wasn't it the scorpion challenge event this weekend. It din'y have no windscreen in it and the O/S front A post & roof is a bit bent Pics are on the Hull 4x4 site. Hull4x4.com

Pikey · Oct 15, 2007

Fashionable or what.

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