TDI Engines and Vegetable Oil - Can it be used...successfully???

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"Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > could you run OK on heating oil? off road of course!!!!
>
> Of course, this would be no problem. Just in case someone has a lokk
> at your fuel and finds out that it is coloured red you are in serios
> trouble! Heating oil in germany is always red...

No! Heating oil does not have the lubricaton qualities of diesel - you
engine will run fine........ until the injector pump blows up.

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> In message <[email protected]>
> "Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > could you run OK on heating oil? off road of course!!!!
>>
>> Of course, this would be no problem. Just in case someone has a lokk
>> at your fuel and finds out that it is coloured red you are in serios
>> trouble! Heating oil in germany is always red...
>
> No! Heating oil does not have the lubricaton qualities of diesel - you
> engine will run fine........ until the injector pump blows up.

But heating oil is Kero, Avtur is also Kero, but with a lubricity additive
and anti-icing inhibitors. I know of 2 people who ran their cars (off-road,
honest guv'nor) on avtur with absolutely no probs at all, both vauxhalls
btw. All you need to do is find the additive pack and add it to your
Kero..... Product called Hytec, comes in 1 pint bottles and treats roughly
4000gallons.
Badger.

On or around Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:04:23 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

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>"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> In message <[email protected]>
>> "Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > could you run OK on heating oil? off road of course!!!!
>>>
>>> Of course, this would be no problem. Just in case someone has a lokk
>>> at your fuel and finds out that it is coloured red you are in serios
>>> trouble! Heating oil in germany is always red...
>>
>> No! Heating oil does not have the lubricaton qualities of diesel - you
>> engine will run fine........ until the injector pump blows up.
>
>But heating oil is Kero, Avtur is also Kero, but with a lubricity additive
>and anti-icing inhibitors. I know of 2 people who ran their cars (off-road,
>honest guv'nor) on avtur with absolutely no probs at all, both vauxhalls
>btw. All you need to do is find the additive pack and add it to your
>Kero..... Product called Hytec, comes in 1 pint bottles and treats roughly
>4000gallons.
>Badger.

yeah, well, that's the point - the additive. Currently C2 here is costing
about 36ppl, so to do it legitimately (i.e. pay the duty) would cost as much
as buying DERV. However...

'tis a fact that the principal point about going over to diesel engines for
the military stuff was the ability to run on AVTUR if necessary, AIUI.
Whether the aviation turbines can run on DIESO I don't know... I tend to
think that a gas turbine should be able to run on pretty much anything...
might lose power, I spose, which could be a problem in critical situations,
but nowhere near as much problem as not being able to fly the thing due to
lack of fuel...

Mind, I do wonder what would happen if you just added a bit of engine oil
the C2... probably the bugger would separate out or something.
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beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

>No! Heating oil does not have the lubricaton qualities of diesel - you
>engine will run fine........ until the injector pump blows up.

An engine that runs just fine with pure vegetable oil should have no
problems at all with heating oil.

Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Mind, I do wonder what would happen if you just added a bit of engine oil
>the C2...

I know people regularly adding some engine oil to their fuel mixtures.
No, I do not want to tell to much about these mixtures, but especially
one guy puts almost everything that eventually could be used by the
engine, all kind of oils, and he even disposed of his used engine oil
by burning it in the engine

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[email protected] "beamendsltd" wrote:

> In message <[email protected]>
> "Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > could you run OK on heating oil? off road of course!!!!
> >
> > Of course, this would be no problem. Just in case someone has a lokk
> > at your fuel and finds out that it is coloured red you are in serios
> > trouble! Heating oil in germany is always red...
>
> No! Heating oil does not have the lubricaton qualities of diesel - you
> engine will run fine........ until the injector pump blows up.

As somebody else pointed out, there are two grades of oil used for
heating. The "35-second" oil _is_ diesel, and there's no difference
between the product being used in a tractor diesel engine and the
product being burnt in a heating furnace.

The "28-second" oil is also known as Kerosene and Paraffin, and that
will mess up your engine, if it runs at all.



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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:49:54 +0200, Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS wrote:

> Of course, this would be no problem. Just in case someone has a lokk
> at your fuel and finds out that it is coloured red you are in serios
> trouble! Heating oil in germany is always red...

That isn't what we in the UK would call "heating oil".

Heating oil = kerosene = parafin = 28sec = now marked yellow.
Diesel = gas oil = 35sec = marked red.

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On or around Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:13:02 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>I was running my 2.5 n/a on processed recycled cooking oil.

did you process it, or did you buy it in?
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Austin Shackles wrote:

> did you process it, or did you buy it in?

When you do the chemistry to make "biodiesel" with sodium methoxide and
USED oil, you have to titrate the oil with methoxide to adjust the
amount of catalyst, else you end up with a glorious mess (allegedly).Is
used oil "acidic" once it has been used for cooking, so it actually
needs to be neutralised before you use it as SVO, or your engine will
suffer ?

Steve

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> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:13:59 +0100, Austin Shackles
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>>On or around Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:13:02 +0100, MVP
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>>>I was running my 2.5 n/a on processed recycled cooking oil.
>>
>>did you process it, or did you buy it in?
>
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> I was buying it in from these folk
> http://www.implosionresearch.com/cir2/index.html
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OK, I've just gone and done it and bought a 1990 110 CSW turbo diesel,
so there'll be a 1993 200Tdi Disco coming up for sale fairly soon.

I will be converting the 110 to veggie oil, has anyone had any
experience with this bunch -

http://www.dieselveg.com/

Cheers

Peter

"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:

>That isn't what we in the UK would call "heating oil".
>
>Heating oil = kerosene = parafin = 28sec = now marked yellow.
>Diesel = gas oil = 35sec = marked red.

Aah, ok, I understand. So the stuff used here for heating is "gas oil"
in the UK, and also marked red like in germany.

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:23:50 +0200, Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS wrote:

>> That isn't what we in the UK would call "heating oil".
>>
>> Heating oil = kerosene = parafin = 28sec = now marked yellow.
>> Diesel = gas oil = 35sec = marked red.
>
> Aah, ok, I understand. So the stuff used here for heating is "gas
> oil" in the UK, and also marked red like in germany.

It *might* be 35sec oil but most modern pressure jet boilers use 28sec
only larger and older boilers (> say 20 years old) use 35sec. I'd be
surprised if 35sec was in general domestic use as heating oil in
Germany, the US and UK certainly use 28sec. Big commercial boilers are
in another leauge all together and burn really 'orrible thick black
stuff know as "fuel oil" I think.

I don't know if the colour marking of rebated oils is harmonised
across the EU. A German red oil could be a UK yellow...

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"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I don't know if the colour marking of rebated oils is harmonised
>across the EU. A German red oil could be a UK yellow...

There is one thing for sure, you just order heating oil, you get the
red stuff, and that was it. And it is also for sure that it is the
kind of oil what every diesel engine can use. If the other stuff in UK
is the same like kerosene, then I can say for sure, that the only
usage for it in germany is the avaiation.

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"Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I don't know if the colour marking of rebated oils is harmonised
> >across the EU. A German red oil could be a UK yellow...
>
> There is one thing for sure, you just order heating oil, you get the
> red stuff, and that was it. And it is also for sure that it is the
> kind of oil what every diesel engine can use. If the other stuff in UK
> is the same like kerosene, then I can say for sure, that the only
> usage for it in germany is the avaiation.

Heating oil is kerosene in the UK. Luckily it smells a bit "parafiny"
so you can tell which garages are diluting their diesel with it - a
local garage got done when a truck was tested at a Ministry road-side
check - 60% kersosene, which is luckily about the maximum that can
be added diesel before lubrication is destroyed. The garage chain went
bust a few months later.......... serves 'em right.

Richard
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On or around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:08:42 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:23:50 +0200, Ralph A. Schmid, DK5RAS wrote:
>
>>> That isn't what we in the UK would call "heating oil".
>>>
>>> Heating oil = kerosene = parafin = 28sec = now marked yellow.
>>> Diesel = gas oil = 35sec = marked red.
>>
>> Aah, ok, I understand. So the stuff used here for heating is "gas
>> oil" in the UK, and also marked red like in germany.
>
>It *might* be 35sec oil but most modern pressure jet boilers use 28sec
>only larger and older boilers (> say 20 years old) use 35sec. I'd be
>surprised if 35sec was in general domestic use as heating oil in
>Germany, the US and UK certainly use 28sec.

Ours certainly is. AIUI it's something similar in weight to AVTUR (AViation
TURbine fuel, AKA kerosene...).

>Big commercial boilers are
>in another leauge all together and burn really 'orrible thick black
>stuff know as "fuel oil" I think.
>
>I don't know if the colour marking of rebated oils is harmonised
>across the EU. A German red oil could be a UK yellow...

they mostly have either chemical markers or don't need 'em due to being
different oil, as well.
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