Td5 'surging' or 'hunting', in top gear!

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Chalky.

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Hi all!

We're in the middle of a house move, so borrowed the box trailer from work, towed all day, everything fine, dropped off trailer in yard, totally unladen Landy on the drive home, in top gear I decided to put my foot down a bit more than usual (usually potter around the 45-50 mph zone on the small roads here), when I got past a certain number of revs, past 55-60 I had my foot flat so was still accelerating and then heard/felt this weird hunting noise like I was going on and off the throttle, although I wasn't, and it would accelerate past this, I turned engine on and off and accelerated again, and it did the same thing.

It almost felt like maybe a sticky turbo actuator, although when it's ceased a bit in the past and goes into over boost it usually just goes into limp mode and top speed is 50mph until ignition is turned on and off again, but it wasn't doing this! It then did it in 4th under hard acceleration towards the high end of the rev range just as I'd usually change up.

I've looked at actuator and although it was sticky did move after a fair effort. I wd40'd it and adjusted wastegate so there are 10 threads instead of 13. (I did this before after remap and it improved, but then turned it back to normal setting when I fitted the straight through exhaust on. It always over boosts sooner with the more free flowing exhaust, but I've never had this hunting, surging effect before!

It drives absolutely spot on anything up to 50 mph and I'm usually on top gear at 25 mph, so only under hard acceleration, although as said, never this. Any pointers would be welcome as I hate any potential reliability issues cropping up! Thanks!
 
looked at actuator and although it was sticky did move after a fair effort. I wd40'd it and adjusted wastegate
Probably not the cause but --- I never use wd40 on hot parts as I have found it tends to bake on and stops free movement. Found this when I had carb throttle slides stick on a motorcycle, on a race track, throttles would not close at a hairpin bend :eek:. I had used wd40 to lube the slides, never again.
 
Live data checking what boost is at when it occurs as it sounds like classic overboost symptoms

Thanks mate. I've got a lynx diagnostic kit, but am laptop less at the moment! I think it's definitely related to overboost too, as its in the same rev range as when it goes into limp. Ta all.
 
Probably not the cause but --- I never use wd40 on hot parts as I have found it tends to bake on and stops free movement. Found this when I had carb throttle slides stick on a motorcycle, on a race track, throttles would not close at a hairpin bend :eek:. I had used wd40 to lube the slides, never again.

Ah OK, that's interesting! Wd has always been my go to weapon, I hadn't really thought about the heat aspect tbh, silly of me really.
 
Another thing to consider is the fuel feed. Sounds like you're suffering the symptoms when the engine needs a lot of fuel. Is it possible for you to check the fuel pressure? I'm wondering if the fuel pump is getting lazy or cutting out, or the filter or something else in the system is not letting enough through. For example mine will run with the fuel pump disconnected, but not very fast. Obviously I've not done this at 50 mph, but just playing around with the vehicle stationary.
 
Another thing to consider is the fuel feed. Sounds like you're suffering the symptoms when the engine needs a lot of fuel. Is it possible for you to check the fuel pressure? I'm wondering if the fuel pump is getting lazy or cutting out, or the filter or something else in the system is not letting enough through. For example mine will run with the fuel pump disconnected, but not very fast. Obviously I've not done this at 50 mph, but just playing around with the vehicle stationary.

It could very well be, and the thought had crossed my mind, its exactly the hunting you get when running low in a carbed petrol motor, and it is on the original pump. Fuel filter is changed regularly so I'm fairly sure that's OK! Will take it for a spin when I have a bit more time and see what's occurring now I've free'd off and adjusted the actuator properly! Thanks for the suggestion mate! :)
 
It could very well be, and the thought had crossed my mind, its exactly the hunting you get when running low in a carbed petrol motor, and it is on the original pump. Fuel filter is changed regularly so I'm fairly sure that's OK! Will take it for a spin when I have a bit more time and see what's occurring now I've free'd off and adjusted the actuator properly! Thanks for the suggestion mate! :)

Have you got anything you could measure the fuel pressure with? Might be worth checking that it stays nice and hard under vigorous acceleration. You've mentioned a remap too, so it might be particularly thirsty on application of the loud pedal.
 
going back to the WD40.
WD40 is NOT a lubricant, used as a cleaner and loosener of parts it is great.
There are WD40 versions which do lubricate.
After using WD 40 I usually spray with light oil or spray grease depending on what needs lubricated.
You should also never use WD40 near electrics.
 
I have had overboost issues on diesels and agree it gives that hunting , almost kangarooing type effect. Wind your actuator back out and see if it helps. Unplug the maf to see if it feels better, if so change it for a decent one.
 
I have had overboost issues on diesels and agree it gives that hunting , almost kangarooing type effect. Wind your actuator back out and see if it helps. Unplug the maf to see if it feels better, if so change it for a decent one.

Genuine from a Land Rover dealer
 
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