TD4 auto clutch probs.

HI

New to this forum and have spent sometime looking around and have decided to post,so please HELP.We have a 2002 td4 auto which has been great but the clutch spins from time to time.She does not like to be accelerated too hard and does not like to go over 2 1/4 reves.We are planning to travel a bit this summer but would like this sorted first.

Some say it is just an oil matter as in not enough or do i need new clutch plates.Any help would be great and i suppose a virtual card behind the bar is in order.

Alan.

An Auto gearbox does not have a "clutch" as such.

It has several clutch packs inside, a couple of brake bands, and probably a lock-up torque converter.

My advice is - NO LONG JOURNEYS till this is fixed.

If you are VERY lucky, it only needs a lot of transmission fluid added, but that is very unlikely. But FIRST, exactly as the owner's manual describes, check the gearbox fluid level.

Much more likely is that the "forward clutch" pack in the gearbox is slipping, and that could be expensive.

Find a trustworthy automatic gearbox person.

Don't go near a LandRover dealer with this problem.

CharlesY

CharlesY said:

If you are VERY lucky, it only needs a lot of transmission fluid added, but that is very unlikely. But FIRST, exactly as the owner's manual describes, check the gearbox fluid level.

CharlesY

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Hi

This information is not in our owners manual,is there anywhere on the net that can assist ?.

Alan.

HI


It's cats and dogs at the mo and the children are watching a crappy Disney film.Have plenty of time to play on the net,any thoughts on this reply.


Alan.


Gearbox Fluid Level - Plug Location
Bulletin Number - 0002
Issue - 2
Date - 06.02.2002
Model - Freelander
Affected Range - All KV6 and Td4 Automatic derivatives (i.e. JATCO Transmission)
Re-Issue Information - PROBLEM, CAUSE and ACTION text amended. Issue 2 of this bulletin has become necessary due to continuing reports of incorrect bolt removal.
Problem
[FONT=Arial,Bold] [/FONT]INCORRECT IDENTIFICATION OF GEARBOX FLUID LEVEL PLUG
Cause
[FONT=Arial,Bold] [/FONT]When checking the fluid level on the JATCO automatic transmission incorrect bolts are being removed / loosened, causing serious damage & malfunction.

• Removal of the reduction gear brake band bolt can cause total loss of drive or a substantial reduction in the performance of the transmission.
• Removal of the parking pawl rod plate retaining bolt (located next to the XYZ switch) will result in gear selection problems / gear lever movement restrictions.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES must these items be removed or loosened - doing so will invalidate any warranty claim made. In normal service, only the fluid level plug and fluid filler plug should be removed.
Action
[FONT=Arial,Italic][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Italic]ACTION:[/FONT]
The level plug (arrowed) is fitted vertically into the underside of the gearbox casing, alongside the selector cable bracket and can be identified by its 5mm Allen socket head. The level plug closes the lower end of an internal level tube, therefore only excess fluid will be expelled when the plug is removed.
[FONT=Arial,BoldItalic] [/FONT]Observe due care when draining gearbox fluid as the fluid can be very hot.
[FONT=Arial,Bold] [/FONT]An advance copy of a revised Workshop Manual check and top up procedure is attached to this bulletin. Please ensure that all workshop personnel are aware of this information, which will be added to the Workshop Manual at the next opportunity.
Parts Information
[FONT=Arial,Bold][/FONT]Not applicable, issued for information purposes only.
Warranty
[FONT=Arial,Bold][/FONT]Not applicable

Check and top-up fluid
Check
1. Position vehicle on ramp.
2. Apply handbrake and position chocks under front and rear wheels.
3. Remove underbelly panel.
4. Connect TestBook to monitor gearbox fluid temperature.
CAUTION: The gearbox fluid level must only be checked when the temperature of the fluid is between 35° and 45°. The reading obtained will be incorrect if the fluid is outside this temperature range.
5. Start engine, move selector lever from 'P' through all gear positions, pausing in each gear position for 2-3 seconds and return to 'P' position.
6. Clean area aroundlevel plug.

7. With the engine still running, remove level plug using a 5 mm Allen socket and allow any excess fluid to drain off.
WARNING: Observe due care when draining gearbox fluid as the fluid can be very hot.
CAUTION: There are a number of similar fixings/plugs on the underside of the gearbox. It is imperative that the correct plug is removed prior to checking the level. Removing the wrong fixing/plug could result in internal damage to the gearbox.
Top-up
1. If no fluid loss is apparent when level plug is removed:
2. Remove filler plug and add fluid until it just runs from level plug aperture.
CAUTION: When topping up after a new air blast cooler (Td4 hot climates) has been fitted, an extra 420cc of fluid is required. The fluid must also reach a temperature of 80°C (176°F) to allow the switch on the cooler to open.
3. Move selector lever from 'P' through each gear position and return to 'P' , allowing any excess fluid to drain off.
4. Fit new level plug and tighten to 14 Nm (10 lbf.ft).
5. Clean and fit filler plug.
6. Disconnect TestBook.
7. Fit underbelly panel.

its bin covered many times on lz. I think i Posted summat similar over a year ago - try a search.

For the sake of £50 or so, I'd go and get a local independent garage (who you trust) to change the fluid in the gearbox first. It certainly won't do any harm, and may cure the problem. Had mine changed during the routine service at a local garage, and it did make the changes smoother, so it might be worth trying. Failing that, find an independent auto gearbox specialist.

As charlesy said, whatever you do, don't give it to landrover who will see it as an opportunity to retire on the strength of what you'll pay them

How much fluid is needed to do a change and where is the best place to get the fluid. Apart from LR dealer?

Nick

4 litres is shown in the manual, but the garage I used said they used between 4 and 5 litres. I spoke to the mechanic at the garage who did the work about which fluid I should use if it needs topping up, and he said they just don't mess around with freelanders, they always use genuine land rover fluids (not engine oil though). They charged me £8.50 a litre if that helps.

HI

Just back from the garage today and they were scared to touch it,looking for others.Know of one in Edinburgh that work on Freelanders and think they have a good reputation.Anyone in the Edinburgh are point me in the direction of someone ?.

Ta for any help.

Alan.

Yup Semtex. . . .yes oil first if problem still persists ,get a proper diagnostics done , this can rule out solenoids on the external part or gearbox talk comms to ecu , a good tech [ther ain't many] understands that the data he gets will not include worn internal fluid clutches drive bands and the dreaded torque converter ,to name a few, company's that specialize in auto boxes [jatco] are many, good ones are few ,ASH CROFTS ARE THE DOGS, e mail them with your diagnostic details, if it turns out its fooked [i hope not] then my advice is get an Ashcrofts re-con

Hi

Spoke to my local independent Land Rover specialist today and they recommend a Edinburgh company called Automotive Automatic.Rang them and they seem to know what they are talking about.They will look at the car on Friday avo and will be able to tell us what the prob is.Keeping fingers crossed etc.

Alan.