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Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was no
one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom rear
of engine/exhaust.

The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me

anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?


 
Check your exhuast manifold gaskets.

One blown gasket sounds awfully metallic for some reason.

Alan M.


 
On or around Wed, 12 Jan 2005 23:58:19 +0000 (UTC), "Alan Mudd"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Check your exhuast manifold gaskets.
>
>One blown gasket sounds awfully metallic for some reason.
>

I once, not on a LR, had a blown gasket at the head-to-manifold joint on one
pot of an engine, I was convinced it was a broken rocker.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)
 
Not cylinder liner is it ?


"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
> describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was no
> one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom rear
> of engine/exhaust.
>
> The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me
>
> anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?
>


 

Hope not!! - it's in tomorrow - specialist says he thinks it could be the
cats, will know better tomorrow!! I've had a price or £300 for the
replacements, delivered inc VAT - does anyone know of any cheaper ?

"Richard" <richardsemail [email protected]> wrote in message
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> Not cylinder liner is it ?
>
>
> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
>> describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was no
>> one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom
>> rear of engine/exhaust.
>>
>> The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me
>>
>> anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?
>>
>
>


 
It's the cat that rattling, don't know if that's good news - but it could
have been worse.

And it looks bloody great after having the suspension lift! there were
shims under the original springs so he's left them on as well so it's closer
to 2". Now for some nice BFG tyres to fill the gap!!


"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
> describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was no
> one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom rear
> of engine/exhaust.
>
> The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me
>
> anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?
>


 
On or around Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:27:59 -0000, "StaffBull"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>It's the cat that rattling, don't know if that's good news - but it could
>have been worse.
>
> And it looks bloody great after having the suspension lift! there were
>shims under the original springs so he's left them on as well so it's closer
>to 2". Now for some nice BFG tyres to fill the gap!!

so, you gonna come on an expedition to Pontardawe with it?

Off-road place is reopening this month, hooray. Gonna take the TDi disco
down there, we think. Provided the auxiliary belt tensioner turns up.
Playing in the mud with a known dodgy tensioner bearing sounds like tempting
fate. In order to get the order over 50 quid and thereby get free carriage,
I ordered an new pair of elcheapo front dampers for mine. It's taken to
being a bit flighty on bumpy high-speed corners of late.
--
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S' four hours down there and that's with the A470 open - it's closed due to
the road being washed down the mountain at Dolgellau - off-road centre in
Corwen will be visited though.

Ordering the cats tomorrow, after that all should be well !! for a week or
two probably.

Oh I've got to find why the drivers seat has about 1/2" backlash witch is
bloody annoying - leccy seat so I don't know if it operates on a worm drive,
if it does it might be worn.


"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:27:59 -0000, "StaffBull"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>It's the cat that rattling, don't know if that's good news - but it could
>>have been worse.
>>
>> And it looks bloody great after having the suspension lift! there were
>>shims under the original springs so he's left them on as well so it's
>>closer
>>to 2". Now for some nice BFG tyres to fill the gap!!
>
> so, you gonna come on an expedition to Pontardawe with it?
>
> Off-road place is reopening this month, hooray. Gonna take the TDi disco
> down there, we think. Provided the auxiliary belt tensioner turns up.
> Playing in the mud with a known dodgy tensioner bearing sounds like
> tempting
> fate. In order to get the order over 50 quid and thereby get free
> carriage,
> I ordered an new pair of elcheapo front dampers for mine. It's taken to
> being a bit flighty on bumpy high-speed corners of late.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> 0123456789112345678921234567893123456789412345678951234567896123456789712345
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"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
> describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was no
> one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom rear
> of engine/exhaust.
>
> The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me
>
> anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?
>
>

Sounds like the cats. I took mine off and gutted them. Now I have a better
sounding exhaust.


 
How did you "gut them" aren't they wider in section to the rest of the
exhaust pipe they are attached to ?

Please let me know how so I can do the same- I will worry about emissions
when it's MOT time.


"Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:zu0Gd.445$Dz2.60@trndny09...
>
> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
>> describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was no
>> one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom
>> rear
>> of engine/exhaust.
>>
>> The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me
>>
>> anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?
>>
>>
>
> Sounds like the cats. I took mine off and gutted them. Now I have a better
> sounding exhaust.
>
>


 

"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How did you "gut them" aren't they wider in section to the rest of the
> exhaust pipe they are attached to ?
>
> Please let me know how so I can do the same- I will worry about emissions
> when it's MOT time.
>
>
By smashing the ceramic innards with a long chisel/pinch bar and shaking all
the debris out! That's the common method. I did that on a rover 600 I had
after converting it to LPG, gave it a lot more mid-range pull. You don't
need cats to pass the MOT emissions test if the vehicle is presented running
on LPG as the emissions levels and testing method is different. Construction
and use infringements are another matter though, but how's anyone going to
kinow if they look underneath and see what looks like 2 cats???
Badger.


 
So Badger was, like

> Construction and use infringements are
> another matter though, but how's anyone going to kinow if they look
> underneath and see what looks like 2 cats??? Badger.

Aye, that would fool anyone. Gluing a hamster to the propshaft has the same
effect.
--

Rich

Pas d'elle yeux Rhone que nous


 
Yes it's on LPG do I just need to tell then to test emissions for LPG at the
testing station ?



"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> How did you "gut them" aren't they wider in section to the rest of the
>> exhaust pipe they are attached to ?
>>
>> Please let me know how so I can do the same- I will worry about emissions
>> when it's MOT time.
>>
>>
> By smashing the ceramic innards with a long chisel/pinch bar and shaking
> all the debris out! That's the common method. I did that on a rover 600 I
> had after converting it to LPG, gave it a lot more mid-range pull. You
> don't need cats to pass the MOT emissions test if the vehicle is presented
> running on LPG as the emissions levels and testing method is different.
> Construction and use infringements are another matter though, but how's
> anyone going to kinow if they look underneath and see what looks like 2
> cats???
> Badger.
>


 
Yes it's on LPG do I just need to tell then to test emissions for LPG at the
testing station ?

"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> How did you "gut them" aren't they wider in section to the rest of the
>> exhaust pipe they are attached to ?
>>
>> Please let me know how so I can do the same- I will worry about emissions
>> when it's MOT time.
>>
>>
> By smashing the ceramic innards with a long chisel/pinch bar and shaking
> all the debris out! That's the common method. I did that on a rover 600 I
> had after converting it to LPG, gave it a lot more mid-range pull. You
> don't need cats to pass the MOT emissions test if the vehicle is presented
> running on LPG as the emissions levels and testing method is different.
> Construction and use infringements are another matter though, but how's
> anyone going to kinow if they look underneath and see what looks like 2
> cats???
> Badger.
>


 
Will there be any effect on the engine running if the lambda sensors are
bust ? they are in the cat's aren't they ?


"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> How did you "gut them" aren't they wider in section to the rest of the
> exhaust pipe they are attached to ?
>
> Please let me know how so I can do the same- I will worry about emissions
> when it's MOT time.
>
>
> "Jack Kerouac" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:zu0Gd.445$Dz2.60@trndny09...
>>
>> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Coming home tonight, when I arrived there was a sound that I can only
>>> describe as someone hitting a saucepan with a spoon ( and no there was
>>> no
>>> one there with a saucepan and spoon!) seemed to be coming from bottom
>>> rear
>>> of engine/exhaust.
>>>
>>> The cam rattle I can live with, this concerns me
>>>
>>> anyone got a spare 3.9 engine?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like the cats. I took mine off and gutted them. Now I have a
>> better
>> sounding exhaust.
>>
>>
>
>


 

"StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yes it's on LPG do I just need to tell then to test emissions for LPG at
> the
> testing station ?
>
Yes - the mot rules at this time state that the vehicle emissions test will
be carried out in accordance with the mot testers manual (Bloody big A4
binder!!), in the case of dual fuel vehicles the vehicle shall be tested on
the fuel that it is running on at the time it is presented for test. If you
book it in for a test and tell the garage it is running on LPG (with
direction on how to switchover to LPG when starting, of course) then they
MUST carry out the emissions test for LPG, not petrol. If they try and tell
you that they either must or will test on both fuels, BULL - that's not what
their manual tells them to do, refer them to the testers manual.
How do I know all this? I work part time in a garage that does a lot of MOT
testing, I've read the manual from cover to cover more than once as I'm
about to go and do the mot testers exams and course.
Please note, these are the rules as they stand, the government has a nasty
habit of continuously changing rules and there's nothing to say that they
won't introduce testing on both fuels for dual fuel vehicles at some point
in the future. This was banded around the trade recently, but the general
concensus is that there aren't enough dual fuel vehicles on the roads to
warrant another change in the regulations - at present.

Badger.


 
On or around Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:42:11 -0000, "StaffBull"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Will there be any effect on the engine running if the lambda sensors are
>bust ? they are in the cat's aren't they ?
>

nope. somewhere on the downpipes, normally.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
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"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "StaffBull" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Yes it's on LPG do I just need to tell then to test emissions for LPG at the
>> testing station ?
>>
> Yes - the mot rules at this time state that the vehicle emissions test will be carried out in accordance
> with the mot testers manual (Bloody big A4 binder!!), in the case of dual fuel vehicles the vehicle shall be
> tested on the fuel that it is running on at the time it is presented for test. If you book it in for a test
> and tell the garage it is running on LPG (with direction on how to switchover to LPG when starting, of
> course) then they MUST carry out the emissions test for LPG, not petrol. If they try and tell you that they
> either must or will test on both fuels, BULL - that's not what their manual tells them to do, refer them to
> the testers manual.
> How do I know all this? I work part time in a garage that does a lot of MOT testing, I've read the manual
> from cover to cover more than once as I'm about to go and do the mot testers exams and course.

If you've read the book, that is the course
When I did mine we spent two days going through the book and asking
questions bored the pants off me, third day morning doing the book
afternoon in the garage then a one hour exam that a dead hampster
can do in ten minutes all multiple choice and they leave you the books
to use

the worst bit for me was when the man comes to test you at work
he asks you a few questions then gets you to do a test he's not bothered
what you find just your routine so remember the afternoon in the garage
part of the course

good luck

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 

"Andy.Smalley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> If you've read the book, that is the course

Yep, I'd heard that said by more than one person before now. But because all
my engineering qualifications are within the aerospace industry (Aircraft
Propulsion and Airframes systems technician) and VOSA wear blinkers, I have
to do the NTTA exam! Go have a look-see at the example questions, there's 2
dodgy ones that even the books by Hillier (Motor vehicle engineering) don't
fully cover!

> When I did mine we spent two days going through the book and asking
> questions bored the pants off me, third day morning doing the book
> afternoon in the garage then a one hour exam that a dead hampster
> can do in ten minutes all multiple choice and they leave you the books
> to use
>
> the worst bit for me was when the man comes to test you at work

Yep, and the local guy has a reputation for being an absolute by-the-book
stickler, what makes it worse is that I know him, and I know he'll be even
harsher because of it!

> he asks you a few questions then gets you to do a test he's not bothered
> what you find just your routine so remember the afternoon in the garage
> part of the course
>
> good luck
>

Ta.
Badger.


 
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