Starting my Defender with a handle

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Andrew Renshaw

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Hi all,

Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator like
my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine where it
looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a Defender then with
a starting handle?

Yours

Andy

Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI

P.S. As I am planning on driving 10000 miles through Africa this may not be
as daft a question as it first appears.


 
Andrew Renshaw wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
> when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator
> like my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine where
> it looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a Defender then
> with a starting handle?
>
> Yours
>
> Andy
>
> Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI
>
> P.S. As I am planning on driving 10000 miles through Africa this may not
> be as daft a question as it first appears.

Your chances of hand starting any diesel engine are just about zero. The
provision for a hand crank is partly a servicing aid - easier to turn the
engine for setting valve clearances etc, and partly a hangover from when
four cylinder petrol engine was fitted to the 90/110.
JD
 
On or around Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:06:56 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Andrew Renshaw wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
>> when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator
>> like my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine where
>> it looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a Defender then
>> with a starting handle?
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI
>>
>> P.S. As I am planning on driving 10000 miles through Africa this may not
>> be as daft a question as it first appears.
>
>Your chances of hand starting any diesel engine are just about zero. The
>provision for a hand crank is partly a servicing aid - easier to turn the
>engine for setting valve clearances etc, and partly a hangover from when
>four cylinder petrol engine was fitted to the 90/110.

I'm not aware of the starter-dog bolt[1] being fitted to TDis, although it's
possible that it can be retro-fitted like that. The holes in the bumper etc
are there as you say, because you could have a petrol engine with starting
handle. I did once have a giant strating handle made up for a massey-fergy
65 tractor (more for amusement than owt else) - I could, in fact, start it
when the engine was hot, but not when cold.

[1] like a normal pulley bolt but with dogs on it for the starting handle to
engage in.
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Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:06:56 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Andrew Renshaw wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
>>> when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator
>>> like my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine
>>> where it looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a
>>> Defender then with a starting handle?
>>>
>>> Yours
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI
>>>
>>> P.S. As I am planning on driving 10000 miles through Africa this may not
>>> be as daft a question as it first appears.
>>
>>Your chances of hand starting any diesel engine are just about zero. The
>>provision for a hand crank is partly a servicing aid - easier to turn the
>>engine for setting valve clearances etc, and partly a hangover from when
>>four cylinder petrol engine was fitted to the 90/110.
>
> I'm not aware of the starter-dog bolt[1] being fitted to TDis, although
> it's
> possible that it can be retro-fitted like that. The holes in the bumper
> etc are there as you say, because you could have a petrol engine with
> starting
> handle. I did once have a giant strating handle made up for a
> massey-fergy 65 tractor (more for amusement than owt else) - I could, in
> fact, start it when the engine was hot, but not when cold.
>
> [1] like a normal pulley bolt but with dogs on it for the starting handle
> [to
> engage in.

Well, I was thinking of automotive engines - in fact I regularly start my
Lister SR1 generating plant by hand (only way provided), but it is only
six horsepower and has a flywheel probably heavier than a TDi engine in
total. The Sabb 2G engine in my boat is 22hp and can be started by hand -
if you are fit and use primers.
JD
 
On Thursday 29 September 2005 23:51, Andrew Renshaw([email protected])
wrote in message <[email protected]>

> Hi all,
>
> Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
> when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator
> like my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine where
> it looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a Defender then
> with a starting handle?

> Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI

Hand-cranking a diesel? Rather you than me.
A spare battery and starter motor with spare leads would be better. Don't
forget the 'sniff'.

The holes are there because, I guess, it would be more trouble than it's
worth to re-jig everything to not make the holes.

My 100E Prefect has a starter handle hole in the front panel but the
radiator gets in the way.

--
2001 FZS600 - Silver/Black
1974 SIII Land Rover - Hardtop 2.25 Petrol, Green
1954 Ford 100E Prefect - Black
 
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:28:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>are there as you say, because you could have a petrol engine with starting
>handle. I did once have a giant strating handle made up for a massey-fergy
>65 tractor (more for amusement than owt else)

Our 35 4cyl had a starter handle, I never once got it started with it.
My second LR 88 s3 was regularly started on a handle when I was too
broke to buy a battery in the 70s.

The first place I worked had contractors with a cat d4 and standard
fordson, I never did see how they started the crawler but they had
converted the fordson starting handle by welding a steel wheel rim to
it. This enabled one bloke with a car to start it by winding a hemp
rope round the wheel and then driving away.

AJH
 
AJH wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:28:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>are there as you say, because you could have a petrol engine with
>>starting
>>handle. I did once have a giant strating handle made up for a
>>massey-fergy 65 tractor (more for amusement than owt else)
>
> Our 35 4cyl had a starter handle, I never once got it started with it.
> My second LR 88 s3 was regularly started on a handle when I was too
> broke to buy a battery in the 70s.
>
> The first place I worked had contractors with a cat d4 and standard
> fordson, I never did see how they started the crawler but they had
> converted the fordson starting handle by welding a steel wheel rim to
> it. This enabled one bloke with a car to start it by winding a hemp
> rope round the wheel and then driving away.

The cat probably had a big flywheel and a half-compression lever, the
ideal being that you open the exhaust valves with the half compression
lever and then spin the flywheel up to speed with the handle and when
you've got the flywheel to speed you flip the compression lever over
and let the flywheel give the "bump" to the engine to start it.

From memory you didn't want to be still hand-cranking one of those when
the half-compression lever was put over in case it kicked back in which
case you stood a reasonable chance of losing a hand.

P.
 
On or around Sat, 01 Oct 2005 01:08:22 +0200, AJH <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 07:28:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>are there as you say, because you could have a petrol engine with starting
>>handle. I did once have a giant strating handle made up for a massey-fergy
>>65 tractor (more for amusement than owt else)
>
>Our 35 4cyl had a starter handle, I never once got it started with it.
>My second LR 88 s3 was regularly started on a handle when I was too
>broke to buy a battery in the 70s.

The petrol LRs and tractors are easy, with the right technique. I used to
start a grey fergy on the handle at about age 14.
>
>The first place I worked had contractors with a cat d4 and standard
>fordson, I never did see how they started the crawler but they had
>converted the fordson starting handle by welding a steel wheel rim to
>it. This enabled one bloke with a car to start it by winding a hemp
>rope round the wheel and then driving away.

The handle I had made for the 65 had a 12" throw and was big enough to get
both hands on. Local blacksmith made it. Found out one thing, never, ever,
try to hand-crank a diesel with easy-start in it. bloody near broke me
wrists.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 
On or around Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:06:56 +1000, JD <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Andrew Renshaw wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
>> when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator
>> like my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine where
>> it looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a Defender then
>> with a starting handle?
>>
>> Yours
>>
>> Andy
>>
>> Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI
>>
>> P.S. As I am planning on driving 10000 miles through Africa this may not
>> be as daft a question as it first appears.
>
>Your chances of hand starting any diesel engine are just about zero. The
>provision for a hand crank is partly a servicing aid - easier to turn the
>engine for setting valve clearances etc, and partly a hangover from when
>four cylinder petrol engine was fitted to the 90/110.

I'm not aware of the starter-dog bolt[1] being fitted to TDis, although it's
possible that it can be retro-fitted like that. The holes in the bumper etc
are there as you say, because you could have a petrol engine with starting
handle. I did once have a giant strating handle made up for a massey-fergy
65 tractor (more for amusement than owt else) - I could, in fact, start it
when the engine was hot, but not when cold.

[1] like a normal pulley bolt but with dogs on it for the starting handle to
engage in.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
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On Thursday 29 September 2005 23:51, Andrew Renshaw([email protected])
wrote in message <[email protected]>

> Hi all,
>
> Probably been asked before so sorry if it has. I have a defender 110 and
> when I took off the bullbar noticed there was a hole under the radiator
> like my old Series 3, looked in and noticed went back to the engine where
> it looked like there was a bolt to lock on. Can you start a Defender then
> with a starting handle?

> Defender 110 CSW 2.5 TDI

Hand-cranking a diesel? Rather you than me.
A spare battery and starter motor with spare leads would be better. Don't
forget the 'sniff'.

The holes are there because, I guess, it would be more trouble than it's
worth to re-jig everything to not make the holes.

My 100E Prefect has a starter handle hole in the front panel but the
radiator gets in the way.

--
2001 FZS600 - Silver/Black
1974 SIII Land Rover - Hardtop 2.25 Petrol, Green
1954 Ford 100E Prefect - Black
 
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