Slightly OT: MOT Test

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Pacman

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Hi

My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked. Will
this be an MOT fail?

Thanks,
Paul
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1992 RR Vogue SE


 

"Pacman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi
>
> My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked.
> Will this be an MOT fail?

Quite likely. Personally, if the glass is secured and the crack doesn't
impede or distort vision and both other mirrors are ok, then I'd pass and
advise. Another tester, however, would be within his rights to fail it if he
wanted to. Best bet is to drop into Halfrauds and get a correct sized sticky
one and fit it over the top of the existing glass. Only costs a few quid and
safeguards against a retest fee.
Badger.


 
Badger wrote:
> "Pacman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Hi
>>
>>My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked.
>>Will this be an MOT fail?
>
> Quite likely.

It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's
about to fall off it's not a fail.

John
 
On or around Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:21:48 +0100, John Greystrong
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Badger wrote:
>> "Pacman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked.
>>>Will this be an MOT fail?
>>
>> Quite likely.
>
>It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's
>about to fall off it's not a fail.

Are you sure it's not a "if fitted it must be sound"?

You're allowed not to have a NS mirror at all, provided you have a OS one
and an interior one. Which reminds me, I could do with an interior one for
the SIII sometime.
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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:49:02 +0100, Austin Shackles wrote:

>> It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's
>> about to fall off it's not a fail.
>
> Are you sure it's not a "if fitted it must be sound"?
>
> You're allowed not to have a NS mirror at all, provided you have a OS
> one and an interior one.

So remove the mirror part leaving the (safe) housing. That should avoid
all argument then about cracks/distortion and functionality of the mirror
as it doesn't exist. B-)

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Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:21:48 +0100, John Greystrong
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Badger wrote:
>>
>>>"Pacman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked.
>>>>Will this be an MOT fail?
>>>
>>>Quite likely.
>>
>>It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's
>>about to fall off it's not a fail.
>
> Are you sure it's not a "if fitted it must be sound"?

Quite sure ;-)

Additional mirrors
Any mirrors additional to the obligatory mirrors are not subject to this
inspection.

John
 

"John Greystrong" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Tue, 28 Mar 2006 15:21:48 +0100, John Greystrong
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>>Badger wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Pacman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>My Laguna has an MOT on Friday; the passenger door mirror is cracked.
>>>>>Will this be an MOT fail?
>>>>
>>>>Quite likely.
>>>
>>>It's not an obligatory mirror so unless it's got sharp edges or it's
>>>about to fall off it's not a fail.
>> Are you sure it's not a "if fitted it must be sound"?
>
> Quite sure ;-)
>
> Additional mirrors
> Any mirrors additional to the obligatory mirrors are not subject to this
> inspection.
>
> John

But, obligatory is either o/s and interior rear view, or o/s and n/s. Just
because the n/s one is bust, it doesn't automatically remove it from the
test, the wording in the testers manual isn't clear-cut on this, hence why
someone could actually be within their rights to fail it.
Badger.


 
Badger wrote:
>
> But, obligatory is either o/s and interior rear view, or o/s and n/s. Just
> because the n/s one is bust, it doesn't automatically remove it from the
> test, the wording in the testers manual isn't clear-cut on this, hence why
> someone could actually be within their rights to fail it.

I suppose but if I saw an O/S and an interior mirror I wouldn't worry
about the view from the N/S. I shall ask the nice man from VOSA for his
opinion next time I see him.

John
 

"John Greystrong" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Badger wrote:
>>
>> But, obligatory is either o/s and interior rear view, or o/s and n/s.
>> Just because the n/s one is bust, it doesn't automatically remove it from
>> the test, the wording in the testers manual isn't clear-cut on this,
>> hence why someone could actually be within their rights to fail it.
>
> I suppose but if I saw an O/S and an interior mirror I wouldn't worry
> about the view from the N/S. I shall ask the nice man from VOSA for his
> opinion next time I see him.
>
> John

I agree with John, as far as I can remember (7 years last time I did a test)
you need an off side mirror and 1 other but this could have changed since
then, in fact in 7 years the entire testers manual has probably been
re-writen at least 3 times ( god doing mot's really sucked, I am glad I got
out when I did:)

Icky


 
On or around Wed, 29 Mar 2006 07:19:59 GMT, "icky"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I agree with John, as far as I can remember (7 years last time I did a test)
>you need an off side mirror and 1 other but this could have changed since
>then, in fact in 7 years the entire testers manual has probably been
>re-writen at least 3 times ( god doing mot's really sucked, I am glad I got
>out when I did:)

I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an
industrial grade vacuum cleaner.

BTW, and a bit OT... anyone know how much a vehicle PSV test for a minibus
costs, and whether there are any nasty traps for the unwary?

The current bus was PSV tested when I got it, (with about a week left to
run) and has a COIF, I was speculating that it might be more saleable with a
new PSV on it, when I come to sell it. But if it's gonna cost a fortune and
be a lot of hassle, then I won't bother.

Oh, and another one for the MOT testers...

The same bus still has "bus" on it's registration document. Can it be
tested by a normal MOT garage and have a normal MOT. I know that it *could*
be so tested, 'cos it was last year in May, but that's a written
certificate, not a computerised one, so the bloke could have turned a blind
eye to the "bus" bit or mor4e likely not known.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
Aelius Donatus (4th Cent.) [St. Jerome, Commentary on Ecclesiastes]
 
>
> Oh, and another one for the MOT testers...
>
> The same bus still has "bus" on it's registration document. Can it be
> tested by a normal MOT garage and have a normal MOT. I know that it
> *could* be so tested, 'cos it was last year in May, but that's a
> written certificate, not a computerised one, so the bloke could have
> turned a blind eye to the "bus" bit or mor4e likely not known.

depends on the number of seats
up to12 class 4
between 12 &17 class 5 light
over 17 class 5
a number of test stations can test class 5L as long as the max vehicle weight is 3500kg
where I worked before tests them but Sheffields a bit far for you
--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
On or around Wed, 29 Mar 2006 15:27:56 +0100, "Andy.Smalley"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>> Oh, and another one for the MOT testers...
>>
>> The same bus still has "bus" on it's registration document. Can it be
>> tested by a normal MOT garage and have a normal MOT. I know that it
>> *could* be so tested, 'cos it was last year in May, but that's a
>> written certificate, not a computerised one, so the bloke could have
>> turned a blind eye to the "bus" bit or mor4e likely not known.
>
>depends on the number of seats
>up to12 class 4
>between 12 &17 class 5 light
>over 17 class 5
>a number of test stations can test class 5L as long as the max vehicle weight is 3500kg
>where I worked before tests them but Sheffields a bit far for you

It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13, so if
the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word with the
local bod again tomorrow - he's hopefully going to MOT the car; work's done
on it but they couldn't get a slot to log into the MOT system. Marvellous
what modern technology can do for you, isn't it, except of course it's not
modern - apparently the system is about 5 years out of date.
--
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If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
>
> It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13,
> so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word
> with the local bod again tomorrow - he's hopefully going to MOT the
> car; work's done on it but they couldn't get a slot to log into the
> MOT system. Marvellous what modern technology can do for you, isn't
> it, except of course it's not modern - apparently the system is about
> 5 years out of date.

5 years out of date and still not running as it was supposed to
is the test certificate a computerised one?
because when entering the details it asks for the number of seats
in addition to the drivers if it already on the system then I'm sure
you can change it anyway
I used to test quite a few that had seats taken out to get it in as a
12 seater just don't add more seats as the test becomes invalid

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
Austin Shackles wrote:
[MOTs]
> I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an
> industrial grade vacuum cleaner.

I quite like it. Saves an awful lot of writing.

John
 
John Greystrong wrote:
> Austin Shackles wrote:
> [MOTs]
>> I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an
>> industrial grade vacuum cleaner.
>
> I quite like it. Saves an awful lot of writing.
>
> John

I didn't mind it and it does save on writing
but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm
9 times out of 10 the system reports an error and locks the card up
it won't let you re-register a test because it says a test is already registered
but it wont let you cancel the test because it say there isn't one registered
the only solution is to wait until 6am for technical to cancel the test at their end
(no one there between 10 and 6) which is great if a person has travelled a fair
distance because your the only one doing 24hr testing
Also up to three months ago Iveco vans were not recognised by the system
don't know whether they are on it now

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:02:49 +0100, "Andy.Smalley"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>>
>> It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13,
>> so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word
>> with the local bod again tomorrow - he's hopefully going to MOT the
>> car; work's done on it but they couldn't get a slot to log into the
>> MOT system. Marvellous what modern technology can do for you, isn't
>> it, except of course it's not modern - apparently the system is about
>> 5 years out of date.
>
>5 years out of date and still not running as it was supposed to
>is the test certificate a computerised one?
>because when entering the details it asks for the number of seats
>in addition to the drivers if it already on the system then I'm sure
>you can change it anyway
>I used to test quite a few that had seats taken out to get it in as a
>12 seater just don't add more seats as the test becomes invalid

Speaking to a tester yesterday, if he logs an advisory, it is
*supposed* to flag it at the next MOT..... Took him 30 minutes test
SWMBO's car, and then had to wait 15 mins to complete the computer bit
so it was 45 mins....
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Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body shell, being bobbed and modded.....
 
On or around Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:02:49 +0100, "Andy.Smalley"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>> It's currently 9 seats, but I've an idea the documents still say 13,
>> so if the computer knows, then it'll come up as 13. I'll have a word
>> with the local bod again tomorrow - he's hopefully going to MOT the
>> car; work's done on it but they couldn't get a slot to log into the
>> MOT system. Marvellous what modern technology can do for you, isn't
>> it, except of course it's not modern - apparently the system is about
>> 5 years out of date.
>
>5 years out of date and still not running as it was supposed to

quite...

>is the test certificate a computerised one?

the current one is handwritten, but then the current one probably says 13
seats, 'cos that's what it had then.

>because when entering the details it asks for the number of seats
>in addition to the drivers if it already on the system then I'm sure
>you can change it anyway

OK, shouldn't be a problem then - they can test it as 8 plus driver or 9
including driver. Since they've tested that size buses in the past for me I
assume they can.

>I used to test quite a few that had seats taken out to get it in as a
>12 seater just don't add more seats as the test becomes invalid
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Thu, 30 Mar 2006 07:28:49 +0100, "Andy.Smalley"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>John Greystrong wrote:
>> Austin Shackles wrote:
>> [MOTs]
>>> I bet you are, apparently the new computerised thing sucks like an
>>> industrial grade vacuum cleaner.
>>
>> I quite like it. Saves an awful lot of writing.
>>
>> John
>
>I didn't mind it and it does save on writing
>but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm
>9 times out of 10 the system reports an error and locks the card up
>it won't let you re-register a test because it says a test is already registered
>but it wont let you cancel the test because it say there isn't one registered
>the only solution is to wait until 6am for technical to cancel the test at their end
>(no one there between 10 and 6) which is great if a person has travelled a fair
>distance because your the only one doing 24hr testing
>Also up to three months ago Iveco vans were not recognised by the system
>don't know whether they are on it now

Yesterday, they'd completed the work on my car and weren't able to test it.
Previously, they'd have already done a test on it, rectified the failure
points and then issued a pass certificate.

They did this time, in a sense: They've already done a "pre mot inspection"
and that identified work needing doing - now the work's done it should pass
the test, and under the old system I could have had a certificate and taken
it to town today to buy a tax disc. As it is I probably won't be able to do
that 'til friday and that means a separate journey.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Andy.Smalley wrote:

> I didn't mind it and it does save on writing
> but it's not reliable enough try registering a test at about 10 pm

10pm? That's just madness ;-)

Is it 24hr all week or only when you've got bookings?

John
 
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