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why are landrover jobs never easy?

took the drum off the front corner and found ti was full of oil. Got
all the bits to fix it (forgot the hub spanner again though so im
still on the chisels!) and started stripping it tonight.
Once i got the FWH off i found that the hub was full of chocolate
sauce rather than oil.

The front hubs are fed from the swivel housings arent they? - so i
guess my swivel housing is going to me just as manky.

Is there any easy way of flushing the swivel out? or am i going to
have to remove the whole thing and clean it out?

How does so much water manage to get in there past the swivel seals?
my seals are only a year or two old and dont seem to leak outwards
that much!
 
Tom Woods wrote:

> why are landrover jobs never easy?
>
> took the drum off the front corner and found ti was full of oil. Got
> all the bits to fix it (forgot the hub spanner again though so im
> still on the chisels!) and started stripping it tonight.
> Once i got the FWH off i found that the hub was full of chocolate
> sauce rather than oil.

Grease/oil mixture. The hubs have been grease lubricated for years.
The oil comes from the axle. If really brown there's probably
mud/water mixed in - confirmation will be dulled bearing rollers and
races.

> The front hubs are fed from the swivel housings arent they? - so i
> guess my swivel housing is going to me just as manky.

You might be lucky. There should be no grease but water/mud may have
entered. Put on full lock, remove swivel housing fill plug and poke
something in to get an oil sample. If you don't like what you see look
in axle bowl, too.

> Is there any easy way of flushing the swivel out? or am i going to
> have to remove the whole thing and clean it out?

Other than the hard way that you have already identified (and which
would be best if you fit any new bearings) clear out as much as you
can. Refill with new oil and drain and refill again after a short
time. Make sure that the oil has got hot, drain when hot.

> How does so much water manage to get in there past the swivel seals?
> my seals are only a year or two old and dont seem to leak outwards
> that much!

It doesn't have to get past the swivel seal (but probably does, too).
When the axle cools after a run the air inside contracts and pulls in
air/water etc. past any seals and the axle breather. Don't park with
the axle immersed in water when hot. Water lying on a seal will get
'ingested'. Also check the axle breathers - they act as non-return
valves so if leaky/missing the water goes straight in. It's very
unlikely that the breather balls are in pristine condition - lever out
the retaining plug, clean thoroughly and fit new ball.

 
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:17 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> why are landrover jobs never easy?
>>
>> took the drum off the front corner and found ti was full of oil. Got
>> all the bits to fix it (forgot the hub spanner again though so im
>> still on the chisels!) and started stripping it tonight.
>> Once i got the FWH off i found that the hub was full of chocolate
>> sauce rather than oil.
>
>Grease/oil mixture. The hubs have been grease lubricated for years.
>The oil comes from the axle. If really brown there's probably
>mud/water mixed in - confirmation will be dulled bearing rollers and
>races.

its really brown!

my swivels have ep90 in. ive always just put grease in/on the wheel
bearings and left the rest to be oil fed - so there shouldnt be a lot
of grease in there?
Or should i be shoving loads of grease into my hubs?
>
>> How does so much water manage to get in there past the swivel seals?
>> my seals are only a year or two old and dont seem to leak outwards
>> that much!
>
>It doesn't have to get past the swivel seal (but probably does, too).
>When the axle cools after a run the air inside contracts and pulls in
>air/water etc. past any seals and the axle breather. Don't park with
>the axle immersed in water when hot. Water lying on a seal will get
>'ingested'. Also check the axle breathers - they act as non-return
>valves so if leaky/missing the water goes straight in. It's very
>unlikely that the breather balls are in pristine condition - lever out
>the retaining plug, clean thoroughly and fit new ball.

i did fit new breathers not too long ago. i will check them again.

I havent parked in any water recently as far as i can remember! :)
 
Tom Woods wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:37:17 +0100, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>
>>>why are landrover jobs never easy?
>>>
>>>took the drum off the front corner and found ti was full of oil. Got
>>>all the bits to fix it (forgot the hub spanner again though so im
>>>still on the chisels!) and started stripping it tonight.
>>>Once i got the FWH off i found that the hub was full of chocolate
>>>sauce rather than oil.
>>
>>Grease/oil mixture. The hubs have been grease lubricated for years.
>>The oil comes from the axle. If really brown there's probably
>>mud/water mixed in - confirmation will be dulled bearing rollers and
>>races.
>
>
> its really brown!

Not unknown!

> my swivels have ep90 in.

My reference above to the hub oil coming from the axle included the
swivels.

> I''ve always just put grease in/on the wheel
> bearings and left the rest to be oil fed - so there shouldnt be a lot
> of grease in there?
> Or should i be shoving loads of grease into my hubs?

No! - definitely not, they'll overheat. Pack between the bearing
rollers and about half fill the cavity between the two bearings.

>>>How does so much water manage to get in there past the swivel seals?
>>>my seals are only a year or two old and dont seem to leak outwards
>>>that much!
>>
>>It doesn't have to get past the swivel seal (but probably does, too).
>>When the axle cools after a run the air inside contracts and pulls in
>>air/water etc. past any seals and the axle breather. Don't park with
>>the axle immersed in water when hot. Water lying on a seal will get
>>'ingested'. Also check the axle breathers - they act as non-return
>>valves so if leaky/missing the water goes straight in. It's very
>>unlikely that the breather balls are in pristine condition - lever out
>>the retaining plug, clean thoroughly and fit new ball.
>
>
> i did fit new breathers not too long ago. i will check them again.
>
> I havent parked in any water recently as far as i can remember! :)
 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> i did fit new breathers not too long ago. i will check them again.
>
> I havent parked in any water recently as far as i can remember! :)

Oswestry? Not parked but definately water and the axles should have been
quite hot by then... H'mmm

Lee D


 
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:43:25 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
>about:
>> i did fit new breathers not too long ago. i will check them again.
>>
>> I havent parked in any water recently as far as i can remember! :)
>
>Oswestry? Not parked but definately water and the axles should have been
>quite hot by then... H'mmm

it didnt really get submerged much though. Even the ford wasnt really
that deep.
That was the last proper driving i did in it (still got a bit of
special welsh mud stuck in the towball!), but im sure ive checked (inc
draining a bit to check its vintage!) the swivel oil since then
 
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:00:04 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:

>why are landrover jobs never easy?

bloody hell. started on corners 3 and 4 thisafternoon. I am amazed
that the truck even stopped with brakes this bad!

drivers rear - drum is worn so brakes have a lot of travel
drivers front - leaky hub seal so it was full of oil
passenger front - both cylinders leaking brake fluid so this drum was
nicely contaminated too
passenger rear - cylinder rusted solid with the pads just touching the
drum. I could tell it wasnt doing much as there was a spider with web
inside the drum.

Time for trip number 3 to richard tommorrow!


 
Tom Woods wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:00:04 +0100, Tom Woods
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>why are landrover jobs never easy?
>
>
> bloody hell. started on corners 3 and 4 thisafternoon. I am amazed
> that the truck even stopped with brakes this bad!
>
> drivers rear - drum is worn so brakes have a lot of travel
> drivers front - leaky hub seal so it was full of oil
> passenger front - both cylinders leaking brake fluid so this drum was
> nicely contaminated too
> passenger rear - cylinder rusted solid with the pads just touching the
> drum. I could tell it wasnt doing much as there was a spider with web
> inside the drum.
>
> Time for trip number 3 to richard tommorrow!

Can we stop this 'truck' thing? - it makes me squirm!
 
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:14:18 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Can we stop this 'truck' thing? - it makes me squirm!

I think i got it off Lee_D :p.
It hasnt got a name, Its not a 'car'. 'vehicle' feels too formal. It
hasnt quite ****ed me off enough to be called a 'shed' and the words
'landrover' or 'landy' are used far too much in this group already, so
'truck' keeps it more interesting! :)
 
Tom Woods wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:14:18 +0100, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Can we stop this 'truck' thing? - it makes me squirm!
>
> I think i got it off Lee_D :p.
> It hasnt got a name, Its not a 'car'. 'vehicle' feels too formal. It
> hasnt quite ****ed me off enough to be called a 'shed' and the words
> 'landrover' or 'landy' are used far too much in this group already, so
> 'truck' keeps it more interesting! :)

It's rather transatlantic, too - better than 'jeep' though, I suppose.

My mother insists on referring to mine as a 'vehicle' in a very
sarcastic, sneering sort of way.
 
On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:44:07 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

>Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:14:18 +0100, Dougal
>> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Can we stop this 'truck' thing? - it makes me squirm!
>>
>> I think i got it off Lee_D :p.
>> It hasnt got a name, Its not a 'car'. 'vehicle' feels too formal. It
>> hasnt quite ****ed me off enough to be called a 'shed' and the words
>> 'landrover' or 'landy' are used far too much in this group already, so
>> 'truck' keeps it more interesting! :)
>
>It's rather transatlantic, too - better than 'jeep' though, I suppose.

I dont trust people who call vehicles 'jeep's (unless it is actually a
jeep ofcourse!)

Thinking about it more i really cant see anything wrong with 'truck'.
the road is full of 'vehicles'. vehicles break down into bikes, cars,
vans and trucks as far as i can tell. Which category does a series
landrover fall into?
it isnt a car and its not a van either..

I suppose itcould be a 'tractor', but thats about as close as truck..

>My mother insists on referring to mine as a 'vehicle' in a very
>sarcastic, sneering sort of way.

mine is a 'landrover' to the parents. I've got them well trained :)

 
Tom Woods wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:44:07 +0100, Dougal
> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 22:14:18 +0100, Dougal
>>> <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can we stop this 'truck' thing? - it makes me squirm!
>>> I think i got it off Lee_D :p.
>>> It hasnt got a name, Its not a 'car'. 'vehicle' feels too formal. It
>>> hasnt quite ****ed me off enough to be called a 'shed' and the words
>>> 'landrover' or 'landy' are used far too much in this group already, so
>>> 'truck' keeps it more interesting! :)
>> It's rather transatlantic, too - better than 'jeep' though, I suppose.
>
> I dont trust people who call vehicles 'jeep's (unless it is actually a
> jeep ofcourse!)
>
> Thinking about it more i really cant see anything wrong with 'truck'.
> the road is full of 'vehicles'. vehicles break down into bikes, cars,
> vans and trucks as far as i can tell. Which category does a series
> landrover fall into?
> it isnt a car and its not a van either..
>
> I suppose itcould be a 'tractor', but thats about as close as truck..
>
>> My mother insists on referring to mine as a 'vehicle' in a very
>> sarcastic, sneering sort of way.
>
> mine is a 'landrover' to the parents. I've got them well trained :)
>
And mine's a 'ute', as it really is - in this part of the world. Trucks is
rather a Sepo word, to my way of thinking. And my ute is NOT a truck, nor a car
(shudder)

I can sympathise with your brake dilemma, Tom - I was there about 4 - 6 weeks
ago. Won't have time to even look at 'em this weekend after all, too much work
on, and no need to use the ute for several weeks anyway, other than to do some
spraying on the paddocks next week. But I'm pretty convinced that a new drum
will be needed in the end.

--
Karen

If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.'
Catherine Aird
 
Duracell Bunny <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> And mine's a 'ute', as it really is - in this part of the world.
> Trucks is rather a Sepo word, to my way of thinking. And my ute is
> NOT a truck, nor a car (shudder)
>
> I can sympathise with your brake dilemma, Tom - I was there about 4 -
> 6 weeks ago. Won't have time to even look at 'em this weekend after
> all, too much work on, and no need to use the ute for several weeks
> anyway, other than to do some spraying on the paddocks next week. But
> I'm pretty convinced that a new drum will be needed in the end.

Oh I do miss launching the passenger seat base on Percy, when I got to the
top of the street and had forgotten how good the brakes were after leaving
him parked up for a week or so, without fail the passenger seat back or base
would be in a momentary free fall.... of course if I had passengers then it
got more interesting.

My Mum and Dad know all the elder Landies by their names.... "Have you done
anything on your Percy?" Is often asked when I pop over.... h'mmmm

If I ever pass this exam I'll be able to get stuck in and get him up and
running again, nother 3 weeks and I'll know.

Lee D


 
Tom Woods wrote:

|| the words
|| 'landrover' or 'landy' are used far too much in this group already

Not really surprising, though. ;-)

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:24:26 +1000, Duracell Bunny
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> mine is a 'landrover' to the parents. I've got them well trained :)
>>
>And mine's a 'ute', as it really is - in this part of the world. Trucks is
>rather a Sepo word, to my way of thinking. And my ute is NOT a truck, nor a car
>(shudder)

i'd get funny looks calling it a ute over here! :)
I've always wondered if to be a ute does it have to be a
pick-up/truckcab formation or is a ute anything which you can fill
with crap and not worry about the interior/paint finish?

>I can sympathise with your brake dilemma, Tom - I was there about 4 - 6 weeks
>ago. Won't have time to even look at 'em this weekend after all, too much work
>on, and no need to use the ute for several weeks anyway, other than to do some
>spraying on the paddocks next week. But I'm pretty convinced that a new drum
>will be needed in the end.

Just deciding wether to go with one new drum or do the other one too..
 
Tom Woods <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> i'd get funny looks calling it a ute over here! :)
> I've always wondered if to be a ute does it have to be a
> pick-up/truckcab formation or is a ute anything which you can fill
> with crap and not worry about the interior/paint finish?

Ok so I need to tidy my garage ;-)

> Just deciding wether to go with one new drum or do the other one too..

You know it makes sense!

Lee D


 
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