1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Welcome To LandyZone!

    LandyZone is the biggest Land Rover forum on the net. We have plenty of very knowledgable members so if you have any questions about your Land Rover or just want to connect with other Landy owners, you're in the right place.

    Registering is free and easy just click here, we hope to see you on the forums soon!

#savethechassis

Discussion in 'Defender 90 / 110 / 130' started by Leepea, Aug 15, 2019.

< Previous Thread | Next Thread >
  1. Leepea

    Leepea Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Posts:
    21
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Ystrad Mynach
    OkaY... I've read the forum(s) LOTS and lots and I get it, DONT waste your time on the old chassis get a new galvy spanky new one, the inside is rotten, you will never fix it etc, but.....
    I don't want to, I want to fix up my old chassis and preserve it for all time, weld it to perfection and paint it waxoil it love it, keep it original without the nasty galvy shiny shiz..
    But seriously I really want to cut out any manky bits and weld new bits in and do a nice job followed by preservation for however long I can. I have been deliberating over this for 2 years and keep going around and around without ever making a decision.... Please help
     
  2. Turboman

    Turboman Rural Activist

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Posts:
    36,782
    Likes Received:
    28,773
    Location:
    Continuously Cruising
    I don't think it is so interesting you need to post 2 threads about it, mate. ;)
     
  3. Muppetdaze

    Muppetdaze Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2014
    Posts:
    279
    Likes Received:
    53
    Location:
    Thanet
    Cease thine prevarication! If the Landy wants you to fix it, go for it, can always galv it after fixing it and then waxoil the bejeezus out of it
     
  4. Henry_b

    Henry_b Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2018
    Posts:
    6,161
    Likes Received:
    4,138
    Location:
    The workshop
    You could plaster a chassis that is rotting from the inside out with Waxoyl.

    The question remains..

    How much do you cut out!

    A galv chassis can be painted if you detest shiny stuff so much.
     
  5. Leepea

    Leepea Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Posts:
    21
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Ystrad Mynach
    It's not so much the shiny but more what it means. Almost the easy out, undoubtedly the best option but I am looking for somebody to say.... No, fix it well and it will last forever the inner rust is a myth and a well patched chassis is authentic and worth the effort. Or, your a cheapskate just replace it..
     
    resto_d1 likes this.
  6. Henry_b

    Henry_b Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2018
    Posts:
    6,161
    Likes Received:
    4,138
    Location:
    The workshop
    Weird logic I must say..

    Covering a rotting chassis with plates is surely more of a cheapskate option than replacing it?

    Ehh..

    What do i know.
     
    FlyingPete likes this.
  7. Leepea

    Leepea Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Posts:
    21
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Ystrad Mynach
    No, you are wrong... It is
     
    Gottschalk likes this.
  8. Turboman

    Turboman Rural Activist

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2010
    Posts:
    36,782
    Likes Received:
    28,773
    Location:
    Continuously Cruising
    Matter of opinion.
     
    Thor 1950 likes this.
  9. Henry_b

    Henry_b Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2018
    Posts:
    6,161
    Likes Received:
    4,138
    Location:
    The workshop
  10. Beneagles

    Beneagles Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Posts:
    3,637
    Likes Received:
    939
    Location:
    North Perthshire
    From shiny to not-shiny in three easy stages :D
     

    Attached Files:

  11. Leepea

    Leepea Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2017
    Posts:
    21
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Ystrad Mynach
    Thank you, deep down I knew it but I suppose my real question is, should I keep and restore an original chassis to as good a standard as I can and would it be more authentic and appealing.. Does a new and better galv chassis give more value than originality?
     
  12. Henry_b

    Henry_b Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2018
    Posts:
    6,161
    Likes Received:
    4,138
    Location:
    The workshop
    Galv chassis.. OBVS..
     
  13. windy81

    windy81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2014
    Posts:
    212
    Likes Received:
    109
    I had a similar dream to restore my chassis, but that idea swiftly disintegrated, like my chassis.
    Once i got a few plates welded in, and many hours of work, I realised I'd still be welding the fekin thing today, and that was 2 years ago!

    Alas, a galv chassis it was.
     
  14. potus

    potus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2011
    Posts:
    967
    Likes Received:
    304
    Location:
    South Devon
    Inner rust is no myth, it's guaranteed that if you can see it on the outside there will be a ****load more on the inside.
     
  15. Beneagles

    Beneagles Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Posts:
    3,637
    Likes Received:
    939
    Location:
    North Perthshire
    A local welder did a deal with our garage to take old chassis for renovation each time we did a galv-change. After 2 he decided that it was a lot more work than it would ever be worth! :eek:

    Doing it in-situ would be a total nightmare!!! :p:p
     
  16. DanClarke

    DanClarke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2009
    Posts:
    3,677
    Likes Received:
    3,377
    Location:
    Benfleet, Essex
    LR coated the insides with "Tin-worm Bait" and even put entry holes in the chassis and signposts and everything.
    Nowadays they call it "Inbuilt Obsolescence" back then they called it $h1te quality. ;)
     
    Henry_b and frog hopper like this.
  17. Gmacz

    Gmacz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2016
    Posts:
    767
    Likes Received:
    252
    Location:
    Forfar/Dundee
    The galvanised chassis soon loses its shine and goes dull and chalky. Still looks good though and well worth the trouble of fitting new over old and patched. Option of new is gone if you cannot afford one, then patching will be the way to go.
     
  18. raisingveg

    raisingveg Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2016
    Posts:
    328
    Likes Received:
    73
    Location:
    bedfordshire
    go new and sleep soundly
     
    Gottschalk likes this.
  19. discomania

    discomania Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2005
    Posts:
    6,764
    Likes Received:
    386
    Are you a welder? Or can you weld to a professional level with guaranteed good welds?

    You could send it to a steel fabricator for an overhaul.

    If it was me and I was being mad for a bit, I would take the chassis off, send it for blasting - then see just how bad or not is it. Then make a sensible call. I don't want to drive along a motorway at 70mph with a patchwork quilt, I like your sentiment but just get the new one. However, if it is OK, then I would jig it and cut out the rot - I would make CAD drawings of all the parts I need and have them laser cut for perfection.

    I would then weld them in using good MIG wire and really take my time - even better I would have my friend TIG it all and it would look like a work of art. You will probably spend about as much fixing a rotter up properly as just doing a swap. You will also spend more money unless the chassis is really in OK condition, in which case you would not be on here worrying about.

    The issue is that to do this properly you need to take it off - once it is off, if you had a new chassis the rebuild would commence, however, once your chassis was off, that would only be the beginning of an uncertain road.

    Mark Evans once took a Range Rover chassis to make it into a 100inch Defender, find the video of the chassis prep and welding/galv stage and you will see that even with a fairly decent, in his case, chassis, it took a lot of effort and he had the backing of being in a fully kitted out workshop, access to trailers to move the chassis about, experts who came and taught him how to weld (and no doubt did most of it off camera).
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2019
  20. The Unit

    The Unit New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2019
    Posts:
    8
    Likes Received:
    8
    Location:
    Stockton On Tees
    As a Materials Engineer, with a PhD in Corrosion, and a great deal of interest in Landies, when I had to choose what to do to protect the chassis of my new 6x6 it was a no-brainer. Painting the outside with fancy epoxy-based coating systems is all well and good, but after 25 years all that's left is the paint! Painting the inside never works because no-one can ever prepare the surface suitably for the paint system to work. Galvanising by hot dipping is the answer. The chemical dips before the zinc bath ensure removal of all the nasties we don't want to be there, and the zinc finds all the little holes, corners and hard to reach bits that paint systems can easily bridge over.
    The secret to any protection is always preparation. Unless a surface is prepared properly, whatever protection you put on will be of limited use and benefit. Manufacturers claim all sorts of benefits and life extensions, but that is almost always for virtually laboratory prepared samples with short terms tests extrapolated to many years. The real world is different! As a colleague of mine used to say "In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not!"
    Go Galvanising, or Rover-Chrome as I've heard it referred to!
     
< Previous Thread | Next Thread >