RR Classic - Body to Chassis bushes and repair of rear body hangerfor same

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Richard

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Lower edge of rear frame on my 88 RR Classic has rotted at the N/S end
sufficiently for the body to chassis hanger to be exploding with rust
and possibly even to be cracking!

I have no doubt that my 'man-with-mig' can repair the frame and rebuild
the hanger (probably both N/S and O/S while he is at it). However, I'm
concerned about obtaining the bushes, spacer tubes and what the parts
book describes as 'special washers'. The reasons for this are (a) they
are listed in multiples of 20 and (b) I fear that they may no longer be
available.

So, can I buy bushes etc in multiples of 2 from LR or from anyone else?

I don't really want a complete Polybush kit just for 2 bushes etc.

Also how difficult is removing the bottom tailgate? Having undone the 2
pairs of bolts that presumably clamp the hinge to the tailgate, will
said hinge flip up at great speed when I pull the tailgate off the hinge?


I presume such rust damage to be attractive to MOT stations? I'm not
thinking of not having it repaired it's whether I do it before or after
the MOT test.


TIA


Richard



 
In message <[email protected]>
Richard <[email protected]> wrote:

> Lower edge of rear frame on my 88 RR Classic has rotted at the N/S end
> sufficiently for the body to chassis hanger to be exploding with rust
> and possibly even to be cracking!
>
> I have no doubt that my 'man-with-mig' can repair the frame and rebuild
> the hanger (probably both N/S and O/S while he is at it). However, I'm
> concerned about obtaining the bushes, spacer tubes and what the parts
> book describes as 'special washers'. The reasons for this are (a) they
> are listed in multiples of 20 and (b) I fear that they may no longer be
> available.
>
> So, can I buy bushes etc in multiples of 2 from LR or from anyone else?
>

All in stock - you are more than welcome to one of each if you so
desire!

> I don't really want a complete Polybush kit just for 2 bushes etc.
>
> Also how difficult is removing the bottom tailgate? Having undone the 2
> pairs of bolts that presumably clamp the hinge to the tailgate, will
> said hinge flip up at great speed when I pull the tailgate off the hinge?
>
>
> I presume such rust damage to be attractive to MOT stations? I'm not
> thinking of not having it repaired it's whether I do it before or after
> the MOT test.

I'm told, buy a customer who has just passed his 3-day MOT exam, that
on a Range Rover up to three knackered body mounts is only an
advisory - but I doubt most would view it that way.

>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Richard

Richard

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Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
beamendsltd wrote:

>
> All in stock - you are more than welcome to one of each if you so
> desire!
>
>
>>
> I'm told, buy a customer who has just passed his 3-day MOT exam, that
> on a Range Rover up to three knackered body mounts is only an
> advisory - but I doubt most would view it that way.
>
>
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>
>>Richard
>
>
> Richard
>

At the risk of causing offence (none intended, of course): 'you darling man!



Can you supply the full set for each mount? i.e

bolt
top 'special washer'
bush
spacer tube
bush
bottom 'special washer'
nut


How should I proceed? Ring you during opening hours and flex my credit
card?


Thanks

Richard



 
Richard <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> How should I proceed? Ring you during opening hours and flex my
> credit card?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard

Yeah or leave a message and he might just get back to you ;-) I'll make
sense if you get the answer phone - which incidentally always catches me out
as I end up talking to it before I realise I've been had again :-o


Lee D


 

"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lower edge of rear frame on my 88 RR Classic has rotted at the N/S end
> sufficiently for the body to chassis hanger to be exploding with rust
> and possibly even to be cracking!
>
> I have no doubt that my 'man-with-mig' can repair the frame and rebuild
> the hanger (probably both N/S and O/S while he is at it). However, I'm
> concerned about obtaining the bushes, spacer tubes and what the parts
> book describes as 'special washers'. The reasons for this are (a) they
> are listed in multiples of 20 and (b) I fear that they may no longer be
> available.
>
> So, can I buy bushes etc in multiples of 2 from LR or from anyone else?
>
> I don't really want a complete Polybush kit just for 2 bushes etc.
>

I don't know if they are available in polybush form or just rubber?

> Also how difficult is removing the bottom tailgate? Having undone the 2
> pairs of bolts that presumably clamp the hinge to the tailgate, will
> said hinge flip up at great speed when I pull the tailgate off the hinge?
>

Have you disconnected the number plate lamp wires? Just lift the tailgate
almost vertical and lift off holding the outside edges, it's that easy.

Martin
>
> I presume such rust damage to be attractive to MOT stations? I'm not
> thinking of not having it repaired it's whether I do it before or after
> the MOT test.
>
>
> TIA
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>


 

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8c4da0724e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > I presume such rust damage to be attractive to MOT stations? I'm not
> > thinking of not having it repaired it's whether I do it before or after
> > the MOT test.
>
> I'm told, buy a customer who has just passed his 3-day MOT exam, that
> on a Range Rover up to three knackered body mounts is only an
> advisory - but I doubt most would view it that way.

The "jist" of the MOT tester's manual on the subject is thus:-
If a body mounting point on the CHASSIS is corroded excessively (Holed,
torn, weakened etc) then it is a fail. No argueing there.
If a body mount on the BODY is excessively corroded or even missing, it is
ONLY AN ADVISORY, UNLESS THE BODY IS INSECURE ON THE CHASSIS.
In other words, if the body can be moved relative to the chassis at that
mounting by use of "reasonable force" (ie rocking the vehicle or pushing
against it using only your own body weight - not using lever bars etc) then
it is a fail.
This is obviously over-ridden by the 300mm (prescribed areas) corrosion rule
for seatbelt/suspension/steering mounts though, if a failed body mount is
within 300mm of any of the above mentioned, then it is an MOT fail
regardless of whether the body is insecure on the chassis or not.
Badger.


 
Lee_D wrote:
>
>
> Yeah or leave a message and he might just get back to you ;-) I'll make
> sense if you get the answer phone - which incidentally always catches me out
> as I end up talking to it before I realise I've been had again :-o
>
>
> Lee D
>
>

Thanks Lee. I'll *try* to make contact today!

Richard
 
Oily wrote:

>
>
> I don't know if they are available in polybush form or just rubber?

My researches yesterday suggest that Polybushes are only available for
the chassis to wheels interface, not for body to chassis. But I have
sent Polybush an email.
>
>
> Have you disconnected the number plate lamp wires?

Not yet.

Just lift the tailgate
> almost vertical and lift off holding the outside edges, it's that easy.

The hinges don't spring up in a finger biting manner?
>
> Martin


Thanks

Richard
 
Badger wrote:

>
>
> The "jist" of the MOT tester's manual on the subject is thus:-
> If a body mounting point on the CHASSIS is corroded excessively (Holed,
> torn, weakened etc) then it is a fail. No argueing there.
> If a body mount on the BODY is excessively corroded or even missing, it is
> ONLY AN ADVISORY, UNLESS THE BODY IS INSECURE ON THE CHASSIS.
> In other words, if the body can be moved relative to the chassis at that
> mounting by use of "reasonable force" (ie rocking the vehicle or pushing
> against it using only your own body weight - not using lever bars etc) then
> it is a fail.
> This is obviously over-ridden by the 300mm (prescribed areas) corrosion rule
> for seatbelt/suspension/steering mounts though, if a failed body mount is
> within 300mm of any of the above mentioned, then it is an MOT fail
> regardless of whether the body is insecure on the chassis or not.
> Badger.
>
>

Thanks Badger


Interesting. As the suspension is attached to the separate chassis,
would the 300mm rule still apply? I mean if the chassis and all below
it is structurally sound but a body to chassis mount closer than 300mm
to a spring hanger is rotten what is the situation there? The spring
is firmly attached but the body isn't


Cheers

Richard
 
In message <[email protected]>
Richard <[email protected]> wrote:

> beamendsltd wrote:
>
> >
> > All in stock - you are more than welcome to one of each if you so
> > desire!
> >
> >
> >>
> > I'm told, buy a customer who has just passed his 3-day MOT exam, that
> > on a Range Rover up to three knackered body mounts is only an
> > advisory - but I doubt most would view it that way.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>TIA
> >>
> >>
> >>Richard
> >
> >
> > Richard
> >
>

Hi sweetie,

> At the risk of causing offence (none intended, of course): 'you darling man!
>
>
>
> Can you supply the full set for each mount? i.e
>
> bolt
> top 'special washer'
> bush
> spacer tube
> bush
> bottom 'special washer'
> nut
>

ANR1504 Body Mounting Rubber - RRC
2 0.48 17.50 0.96
566580 Body Mounting Washer - RRC
2 0.70 17.50 1.40
ANR4519 Bolt - Body Mounting - Range Rover Classic
1 1.42 17.50 1.42
KVH100030 Body Mounting Spacer Tube - RRC
1 3.90 17.50 3.90
252162 Rear End Structure Mounting Nut - RRC
1 0.09 17.50 0.09
______________________________
Sub Total: £7.77
VAT Total: £1.36
Net Total: £9.13

per mount - the spacer tube is the killer, so saving the old one's
is definately a Good Thing.

>
> How should I proceed? Ring you during opening hours and flex my credit
> card?
>

The above are all on the site - use the on-site search facility.
(some of the descriptions are a bit different to above, bur don't
worry about it).

>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Richard <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> >> How should I proceed? Ring you during opening hours and flex my
> > credit card?
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard
>
> Yeah or leave a message and he might just get back to you ;-) I'll make
> sense if you get the answer phone - which incidentally always catches me out
> as I end up talking to it before I realise I've been had again :-o
>
>
> Lee D
>
>

Leaving messages is ok, but I get about 30 to 40 empty messages
a day, and with Orange not having any "block delete" facility it
takes me ages to catch up, so trying again is a better idea.

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 

"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Oily wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I don't know if they are available in polybush form or just rubber?
>
> My researches yesterday suggest that Polybushes are only available for
> the chassis to wheels interface, not for body to chassis. But I have
> sent Polybush an email.
> >
> >
> > Have you disconnected the number plate lamp wires?
>
> Not yet.
>
> Just lift the tailgate
> > almost vertical and lift off holding the outside edges, it's that easy.
>
> The hinges don't spring up in a finger biting manner?
>
Yebbut.... If you've got fingers long enough to get them trapped in the
hinges whilst holding the ends of the tailgate, then they definitely need
trimming. :)

Martin
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard


 
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:29:44 +0100, beamendsltd wrote:

> Leaving messages is ok, but I get about 30 to 40 empty messages
> a day, and with Orange not having any "block delete" facility it
> takes me ages to catch up, so trying again is a better idea.

Orange as in mobile phone? You don't have to wait for the prompts you
know. B-) Just pressing 3 will delete the current playing message.
Pressing 1 gives you next one without waiting for the "Message received
today at 12 32 pm" etc

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:24:38 +0100, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:29:44 +0100, beamendsltd wrote:
>
>> Leaving messages is ok, but I get about 30 to 40 empty messages
>> a day, and with Orange not having any "block delete" facility it
>> takes me ages to catch up, so trying again is a better idea.
>
> Orange as in mobile phone? You don't have to wait for the prompts you
> know. B-) Just pressing 3 will delete the current playing message.
> Pressing 1 gives you next one without waiting for the "Message received
> today at 12 32 pm" etc

For business? turned off the damn v/m thingie years ago (although it does
seem to switch back on again without warning)

It's so easy to contact me (or leave a message with a real person) that I
found I have no legitimate need for it.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
In message <[email protected]>
"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 08:29:44 +0100, beamendsltd wrote:
>
> > Leaving messages is ok, but I get about 30 to 40 empty messages
> > a day, and with Orange not having any "block delete" facility it
> > takes me ages to catch up, so trying again is a better idea.
>
> Orange as in mobile phone? You don't have to wait for the prompts you
> know. B-) Just pressing 3 will delete the current playing message.
> Pressing 1 gives you next one without waiting for the "Message received
> today at 12 32 pm" etc
>

I've sussed that - but it's still insanely boring!

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
www.radioparadise.com - Good Music, No Vine
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 10:22:25 +0100, William Tasso wrote:

>> Orange as in mobile phone?
>
> For business? turned off the damn v/m thingie years ago

Depends if your business allows you to answer the phone when ever it
happens to ring. Mine doesn't.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
beamendsltd wrote:


>
>
> The above are all on the site - use the on-site search facility.
> (some of the descriptions are a bit different to above, bur don't
> worry about it).
>
>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Richard
>>
>
>
> Richard
>
Big thanks to Beamendsltd

Big weight off my mind regarding getting the bushes etc - all bits
ordered this a.m.

I'll be waving the RR (Rust Rover) at my man-with-mig on Thursday so
wish me luck.

Richard
 
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