roof removal - Legal issues
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Pikey
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They are if the vehicle is registered pre 1st april, 1987 after which date 3 point belts on the driver and prescribed front passengers seat became compulsory.
You know i said your defender will be in that stupid LEZ thing i forgot that it only applies to Hard tops... 
So you won't be charged... but they have fecked things up big time so check Here and if it is not exempt give them a call and tell them it is not a van but a station wagon and they will make it exempt
So you won't be charged... but they have fecked things up big time so check Here and if it is not exempt give them a call and tell them it is not a van but a station wagon and they will make it exemptImpressive, i can only dream of it. Well I did have it with my disco but I saw the light and got a 90
Where boots you from when your not up in wales?
Davec
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Surely it's more like 1967?
Pikey
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Nope, Before 87 lapbelts were legally allowed in cars. After 87 all front driver and one passenger seat had to have seat belts with a minimum of 3 anchor points.
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And were did you finmd that interesting information.
When I bought a new car in 1975 the law required it to have 3 point belt with one handed operation (i.e. the buckle had to be on a stiff stalk.) Are you now saying I can introspectively fit it with a lap belt?
Did the cars you were bullying in 1975 have lap belts?
When I bought a new car in 1975 the law required it to have 3 point belt with one handed operation (i.e. the buckle had to be on a stiff stalk.) Are you now saying I can introspectively fit it with a lap belt?
Did the cars you were bullying in 1975 have lap belts?
boydy1989
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Impressive, i can only dream of it. Well I did have it with my disco but I saw the light and got a 90
Where boots you from when your not up in wales?
Born and brought up in surrey, redhill and surroundings. My parents and grandparents still live around there, so i do pop back at times. Only been in Bangor for a year, university up here see!
simon holland
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what year did seat belts come in then, my 1972 series 3 has no roof and no seatbelts and it passed its mot like that last month
Yeah I know the place. Play a fair few hockey matches that way and only work in dorking.
Let us know next time your back. Would be good to put a face to a name
boydy1989
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I shall bear it in mind!
Pikey
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Slight fookup on my part I misunderstood the wording in the document I was reading which said 2 point belt. I assumed this meant lapbelt but what it actually means is a diagonal belt going over one shoulder and fastening at the hip. but not a lapbelt.. and the 87 year was rear seatbelts. Just goes to show the internet isn't always right..
This should clear things up. It's the guide to MOT testers for seatbelt installation.
Seat belts and anchorages:
The condition of every seat belt fitted to the vehicle will be tested. This includes front, side or rear facing seats and includes child restraints/seats and disabled person belts. There must be no cuts in the webbing anywhere, the stitching must be sound and buckle arrangements must work properly and be free from fractures. Recoil mechanisms on inertia reel belts will be tested with the seat unoccupied and must recoil fully. Couplings must release under normal conditions and when loaded by pulling on the belt.
The inertia locking mechanism is not tested and is not required to work for the purpose of the test.
The minimum fitting requirements are complex:
Anchorage points were required for front seats in vehicles first used from 1st January 1965. From 1st April 1982 anchorages points were required for every rear seat (Construction and Use Regulation 46).
Prior to 1st April 1981, cars must have at least a two point fixing belt (one which restrains the upper part of the body but doesn't include a lap belt) in the drivers and specified front passenger seat.
From 1st April 1981, the drivers and specified front passenger seat must have a three point lap diagonal belt (static or inertia reel). Therefore vehicles first used from 1st January 1965 must have seat belts in the front but the type depends on year (Construction and Use Regulation 47)
From 1st April 1987, rear seat belts must be fitted.
and the 87 year was rear seatbelts. Just goes to show the internet isn't always right..This should clear things up. It's the guide to MOT testers for seatbelt installation.
Seat belts and anchorages:
The condition of every seat belt fitted to the vehicle will be tested. This includes front, side or rear facing seats and includes child restraints/seats and disabled person belts. There must be no cuts in the webbing anywhere, the stitching must be sound and buckle arrangements must work properly and be free from fractures. Recoil mechanisms on inertia reel belts will be tested with the seat unoccupied and must recoil fully. Couplings must release under normal conditions and when loaded by pulling on the belt.
The inertia locking mechanism is not tested and is not required to work for the purpose of the test.
The minimum fitting requirements are complex:
Anchorage points were required for front seats in vehicles first used from 1st January 1965. From 1st April 1982 anchorages points were required for every rear seat (Construction and Use Regulation 46).
Prior to 1st April 1981, cars must have at least a two point fixing belt (one which restrains the upper part of the body but doesn't include a lap belt) in the drivers and specified front passenger seat.
From 1st April 1981, the drivers and specified front passenger seat must have a three point lap diagonal belt (static or inertia reel). Therefore vehicles first used from 1st January 1965 must have seat belts in the front but the type depends on year (Construction and Use Regulation 47)
From 1st April 1987, rear seat belts must be fitted.
discomania
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Do you only have two hinges??
I had my roof off for the bulkhead change and I only undid the top of my three hinges. Before refitting the roof I went for a drive on the back roads near my house and just didnt worry too much about not having seatbelts.
Or are you planning on going a bit of a jaunt like this?
If you just want to try it, take the roof off and go for a quick fly.
Think i only remember it having 2 hinges.
Yeah was just think of going on a little jaunt just down some quiet roads, mainly just to see what its like.
Just moving the upper seatbelt mount to the bulkhead like boydy did should be to strenous if i feel like keeping it off for a bit.
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That only worked 'cos i had the old truck cab mounts still attached
FredTransit
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You know i said your defender will be in that stupid LEZ thing i forgot that it only applies to Hard tops...
Sorry but pick ups aren't vans either but are subject to the LEZ, as are minibuses, which also have to comply or pay to go into the zone. The LEZ goes by GVW, so if a landy is registered PLG, it will be fine, if it's got a revenue weight (Y on the V5) it will be in the LEZ's jurisdiction.
