Repair to chassis - a question

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Nomisb

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Off to look at a 1979 109 s3 station wagon on Sunday - guy was upfront on the phone and said there was some repairs to to chassis. Apart for looking to see if the guy could weld what else would you consider looking out for. eg are there any no-no arears - ones that shoudn't be repaired.

He's asking £3900 but will knock him down by the sound of it.

Sorry for ignorance - when I finally find one I may get round to putting all the advice I've got into a simple 1,000 step "what to look for guide"......
 
I dont know much about the chassis as I am new to Land rovers.
But was a welder for 15 years.
So firstly, do check quality of welds.

consistencey of weld bead, should be nice and even, any seagull **** splatters would indicate a cold weld with very little penetration.
If the welds are covered in under seal etc, dont be shy in asking if you can scrape some off to see whats under it, after all its alot of money you could be spending on it.

Check too for fatigue cracks near the weld, caused by stresses and stains etc, generally caused by the parent metal being annealed by the heat in put.

Hope this helps as a starter... :5bsifone:
 
wouldn't even look at it. For 4k I'd want a galv chassis, 12 months t&t and quite a lot more.

You got any more details on it?
 
wouldn't even look at it. For 4k I'd want a galv chassis, 12 months t&t and quite a lot more.

You got any more details on it?

12mth t&T

12 mth parts and labour warenty (sp) - looks good but will want to have a look close up.

I wish I could find one for the money people say they are are worth! Hint of snow tax + they just don't seem to be out there at the mo (inless you know different?)
 
12mth t&T

12 mth parts and labour warenty (sp) - looks good but will want to have a look close up.

I wish I could find one for the money people say they are are worth! Hint of snow tax + they just don't seem to be out there at the mo (inless you know different?)

If you can, wait for 2 or 3 months and you'll save a bundle. I know it's hard when you've set your mind on getting one but imagine all the other toys you can spend the extra dosh on;).
 
Agree with others on this. 4K is a lot of wonga for a series in my opinion - must be spotless and on a galv chassis. Defeats the object of a series if you ask me. Get one thats a bit banged up so you don't mind using it for what its intended for.

as for looking at welding / chassis repairs, if its around sping hangers etc.. make sure its all the way round and nice and tidy. Go with a magnet to make sure. Sounds a bit stupid but I have seen chassis with glass fibre and chicken wire in um for quick MOT.
Be wary of checker plate repairs. I am always suspious of checker plate on a series. If you are going to the trouble of making checker plate repairs why not do a proper job and weld in some new steel?!
 
Agree with others on this. 4K is a lot of wonga for a series in my opinion - must be spotless and on a galv chassis. Defeats the object of a series if you ask me. Get one thats a bit banged up so you don't mind using it for what its intended for.

as for looking at welding / chassis repairs, if its around sping hangers etc.. make sure its all the way round and nice and tidy. Go with a magnet to make sure. Sounds a bit stupid but I have seen chassis with glass fibre and chicken wire in um for quick MOT.
Be wary of checker plate repairs. I am always suspious of checker plate on a series. If you are going to the trouble of making checker plate repairs why not do a proper job and weld in some new steel?!

totaly agree wiff ther chequer plate thing when i done my ols series it were just to stiffen the rear valance up more than anything and cover the dents in the sills nothing more ( chequerplate is like woodchip wallpaper - used to hide a multitude of sins )
 
Thanks all - good advice all round (esp re welding). Yep as predicted over priced - heavy snow tax

As for the ebay links - they are still quite pricey but more importantly it's fleeabay and I have a massive aversion to buying anything that pricey on line.

Having spoken to a couple of people I will still keep looking but wait for a couple of months before I think about looking properly. Hopefully as I'm after 109 station wagon I should (fingers crossed) get a deal....
 
buying off ebay is no different to buying out of auto trader / free ads whatever, try and view when possible but if you can't and you go to collect a motor you've won and it isn't as advertised just refuse to pay for it. You are under no obligation to pay for something if it has been falsely advertised. Then report the seller to ebay for being a cnut:D
 
£3900 for a rebuilt landy seems a good price, but I would want a gearbox rebuild & Galvanised (not just new) chassis for that. Seems strange that you'd rebuild not on a galvanised. Not to mention, ideally, a galvanised bulkhead.

£3450 for that clean one is alright so long as its straight and original, un molestered and basically perfectly original.

When looking at series its important to bare in mind the things that matter are generally the things that make no difference to the look of the vehicle! Bulkhead, chassis, gearbox & engine have no impact (bar bulkhead rust in places..) on the looks of a vehicle. But if your forking out £4000+ for a machine, in 10 years time you want one that will still be solid and not needing welding and goodness knows what doing to it. (face it, even a perfect resto rebuild is still going to need to constant work, but not structural). Yes, a decent spray job and 'straight' panels make the vehicle more desirable for the next few years, but a good chassis, solid bulkhead & gearbox (engine less so, easier to get hold of decent engine than gearbox), make the vehicle more valuable in 10 years more time.

On a side note, are series genuinly going for this kind of money?! because when I started my rebuild last summer, I swear for £3900 you would get a show quality vehicle with everything rebuilt - rebuilt gearbox, engine, steering box, axles, springs etc. Not just a chassis rebuild and resprayed engine oh and 'complete bulkhead repair' - as with the one above. They would have gone for about £3000..unless i'm way off. Please someone reply to this - as i'm not sure my memories right! Surely the demand and value of these old things hasn't shot up that much in the space of a year or two..

Matt
 
£3900 for a rebuilt landy seems a good price, but I would want a gearbox rebuild & Galvanised (not just new) chassis for that. Seems strange that you'd rebuild not on a galvanised. Not to mention, ideally, a galvanised bulkhead.

£3450 for that clean one is alright so long as its straight and original, un molestered and basically perfectly original.

When looking at series its important to bare in mind the things that matter are generally the things that make no difference to the look of the vehicle! Bulkhead, chassis, gearbox & engine have no impact (bar bulkhead rust in places..) on the looks of a vehicle. But if your forking out £4000+ for a machine, in 10 years time you want one that will still be solid and not needing welding and goodness knows what doing to it. (face it, even a perfect resto rebuild is still going to need to constant work, but not structural). Yes, a decent spray job and 'straight' panels make the vehicle more desirable for the next few years, but a good chassis, solid bulkhead & gearbox (engine less so, easier to get hold of decent engine than gearbox), make the vehicle more valuable in 10 years more time.

On a side note, are series genuinly going for this kind of money?! because when I started my rebuild last summer, I swear for £3900 you would get a show quality vehicle with everything rebuilt - rebuilt gearbox, engine, steering box, axles, springs etc. Not just a chassis rebuild and resprayed engine oh and 'complete bulkhead repair' - as with the one above. They would have gone for about £3000..unless i'm way off. Please someone reply to this - as i'm not sure my memories right! Surely the demand and value of these old things hasn't shot up that much in the space of a year or two..

Matt
no mate they havent shot up in the last two years they general tend to fluctuate in price as to what time of year it is ssuch as just as winter sets in they go fer silly money due to people wanting them for the winter or for a crimbo pressie

during the spring about easter time they will be going relatively cheap due to people buying them for the winter generaly at their witts end with heaters that dont work and leaky seals etc the summer months are generaly quiet with the restorers hard at work on their series landys to either take them to shows or to get them as near perfect as they can for winter comeing back round

my advice is to do as i am doing save yer pennies till bout the end of march then watch out on ebay and trader also loot and free ads papers and farmers magazines ant a decent one should turn up fer under a grand as it has done for the last few years :):):)

finding the right series for yourself is like guinness (all good things come to those who wait ):D:D
 
no mate they havent shot up in the last two years they general tend to fluctuate in price as to what time of year it is ssuch as just as winter sets in they go fer silly money due to people wanting them for the winter or for a crimbo pressie

Series 2 and 2a's have due to the shortage of Series 1's these days and people wanting classic shiny's. But S3 should still be cheap
 
Series 2 and 2a's have due to the shortage of Series 1's these days and people wanting classic shiny's. But S3 should still be cheap
s3 is what i thought he was aiming at getting and ive only been watching s3 landys for the last 2 years i just thought s2/s2a were bout the same just harder to find ;);)
 
s3 is what i thought he was aiming at getting and ive only been watching s3 landys for the last 2 years i just thought s2/s2a were bout the same just harder to find ;);)

Yep - S3 (or a rocking horse **** 2a) - will keep my eye open - as long as it's over 25 years old I'll be happy.....
 
Yep - S3 (or a rocking horse **** 2a) - will keep my eye open - as long as it's over 25 years old I'll be happy.....

You realise the tax free bracket is fixed now not rolling - i.e. it has to pre date 1974 (i believe) to be tax free.

- assume that's what you were referring to with 25 years anyway...
 
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