Red Mist...

Lee_D · Jan 23, 2005

"Alfie" our VM Rangie made a protest tonight, I think it's because I've used
the Disco for towing recently and the 101 for the last two trips to work.

Anyway the battery light is staying illuminated. Bear in mind its a VM
Diesel and not a petrol... heres the symptoms;

At rest batteries show 12 volts.

Engine started and Charge light remains on bright still 12 volts

Rev engine and light remains on but dim then leave to idle and light remains
on and dim , no noticable change in dim/brightness since revved up, check
voltage at idle... 13.5 volts.

Repeat above with headlights on and voltage at idle 12 volts.

I've sprayed copious ammounts of WD40 and tetensioned the belt prior to all
this.

Symptons have manifested whilst parked up for 3 or 4 days with the odd shunt
across the drive to bring the 101 out.

What do you think?

Oh...the rev counter seems fine.

I'm braced for a kick in the wallet.

Lee D

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JD · Jan 23, 2005

Lee_D wrote:

> "Alfie" our VM Rangie made a protest tonight, I think it's because I've
> used the Disco for towing recently and the 101 for the last two trips to
> work.
>
> Anyway the battery light is staying illuminated. Bear in mind its a VM
> Diesel and not a petrol... heres the symptoms;
>
> At rest batteries show 12 volts.
>
> Engine started and Charge light remains on bright still 12 volts
>
> Rev engine and light remains on but dim then leave to idle and light
> remains on and dim , no noticable change in dim/brightness since revved
> up, check voltage at idle... 13.5 volts.
>
> Repeat above with headlights on and voltage at idle 12 volts.
>
> I've sprayed copious ammounts of WD40 and tetensioned the belt prior to
> all this.
>
> Symptons have manifested whilst parked up for 3 or 4 days with the odd
> shunt across the drive to bring the 101 out.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Oh...the rev counter seems fine.
>
> I'm braced for a kick in the wallet.
>
> Lee D
>
Either faulty regulator in the alternator or faulty ignition switch. The
failure to start putting out power without revving suggests the former, the
light staying on dim, though is the classic symptom of high resistance in
the ignition switch (or elsewhere in the circuit, but the switch is most
likely).
JD

John Oakes · Jan 24, 2005

JD wrote:

> Lee_D wrote:
>
>
>>"Alfie" our VM Rangie made a protest tonight, I think it's because I've
>>used the Disco for towing recently and the 101 for the last two trips to
>>work.
>>
>>Anyway the battery light is staying illuminated. Bear in mind its a VM
>>Diesel and not a petrol... heres the symptoms;
>>
>>At rest batteries show 12 volts.
>>
>>Engine started and Charge light remains on bright still 12 volts
>>
>>Rev engine and light remains on but dim then leave to idle and light
>>remains on and dim , no noticable change in dim/brightness since revved
>>up, check voltage at idle... 13.5 volts.
>>
>>Repeat above with headlights on and voltage at idle 12 volts.
>>
>>I've sprayed copious ammounts of WD40 and tetensioned the belt prior to
>>all this.
>>
>>Symptons have manifested whilst parked up for 3 or 4 days with the odd
>>shunt across the drive to bring the 101 out.
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>Oh...the rev counter seems fine.
>>
>>I'm braced for a kick in the wallet.
>>
>>Lee D
>>
>
> Either faulty regulator in the alternator or faulty ignition switch. The
> failure to start putting out power without revving suggests the former, the
> light staying on dim, though is the classic symptom of high resistance in
> the ignition switch (or elsewhere in the circuit, but the switch is most
> likely).
> JD

Hello JD.
My landrover 90 Diesel is doing the same. Though it turn out
to be my ignition switch which hopefully will be replaced. I noticed
when my key wouldn't return to it normal position I gained a battery
light,. So I manually turn the key back.
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Thank You

John N Oakes
Manchester, England.

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Lee_D · Jan 24, 2005

"JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Either faulty regulator in the alternator or faulty ignition switch. The
> failure to start putting out power without revving suggests the former,
> the
> light staying on dim, though is the classic symptom of high resistance in
> the ignition switch (or elsewhere in the circuit, but the switch is most
> likely).
> JD

My wallet was braced, however it's now gone into denial.

£160 +Vat was my first quote , they had one in stock but on inspection was
not the same unit. Popped over the road to Landrover. STC3097 or STC3095...
i forget... £576 + VAT...........

<Thud>

"Mr Davies..... Mr Davies.!!!... can someone call an ambulance......"

I forgot to ask if there was any surcharge for exchange units. Any one want
to buy a Range Rover, needs an Alternator... given its the sum of it's parts
offers around 2 Million.

Lee D

Lee_D · Jan 24, 2005

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Either faulty regulator in the alternator or faulty ignition switch. The
>> failure to start putting out power without revving suggests the former,
>> the
>> light staying on dim,

Right now I've come back around.... how do I test the regulator and where
can I buy a new one / ones from?

Any good sites that detail the operation would be appreciated

Lee D

Lee_D · Jan 24, 2005

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Right now I've come back around.... how do I test the regulator and where
> can I buy a new one / ones from?
>
> Any good sites that detail the operation would be appreciated

At the risk of demonstrating the first signs of madness....

I've now got the Alternator off. I've given up opn the local Auto
electrician ringing back... was hoping for a diagnosis before removal but I
need the car for a trip later in the week.

Anyway It's a Lucas item and has the following numbers

24292A
A133-80
289012V

Now I'd guess the final set identify it as 12volt and the 80 I would guess
means it's an 80 amp unit. any clues to the rest?

One of my concerns s if I do swap it with another that look the same of
similar ampage what the effect on the rev counter could be.

I seem to recall seeing the A133 bit before on other units whic instils a
tiny amount of confidence I may see change out of £700 after all (Inc VAT
but not fitting - and yes I'm hoping for around £650 change

) ).

Lee D

Austin Shackles · Jan 24, 2005

On or around Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:03:53 GMT, "Lee_D" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Either faulty regulator in the alternator or faulty ignition switch. The
>>> failure to start putting out power without revving suggests the former,
>>> the
>>> light staying on dim,
>
>Right now I've come back around.... how do I test the regulator and where
>can I buy a new one / ones from?
>
>Any good sites that detail the operation would be appreciated

have you got a lucas service place anywhere near? try taking the alternator
in and seeing if they'll test it. they may have spares an' all. What type
of alternator is it?

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Angus McCoatup · Jan 24, 2005

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
> > Right now I've come back around.... how do I test the regulator and
where
> > can I buy a new one / ones from?
> >
> > Any good sites that detail the operation would be appreciated
>
> At the risk of demonstrating the first signs of madness....
>
> I've now got the Alternator off. I've given up opn the local Auto
> electrician ringing back... was hoping for a diagnosis before removal but
I
> need the car for a trip later in the week.
>
> Anyway It's a Lucas item and has the following numbers
>
> 24292A
> A133-80
> 289012V
>
> Now I'd guess the final set identify it as 12volt and the 80 I would guess
> means it's an 80 amp unit. any clues to the rest?
>
> One of my concerns s if I do swap it with another that look the same of
> similar ampage what the effect on the rev counter could be.
>
> I seem to recall seeing the A133 bit before on other units whic instils a
> tiny amount of confidence I may see change out of £700 after all (Inc VAT
> but not fitting - and yes I'm hoping for around £650 change

) ).
>
> Lee D
>
>
sum places can either recon it or send it off.
we had/ have a local (Halifax)dude that did/does them at a workshop at his
house

Austin Shackles · Jan 24, 2005

On or around Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:16:25 GMT, "Lee_D" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> Right now I've come back around.... how do I test the regulator and where
>> can I buy a new one / ones from?
>>
>> Any good sites that detail the operation would be appreciated
>
>At the risk of demonstrating the first signs of madness....
>
>I've now got the Alternator off. I've given up opn the local Auto
>electrician ringing back... was hoping for a diagnosis before removal but I
>need the car for a trip later in the week.
>
>Anyway It's a Lucas item and has the following numbers
>
>24292A
>A133-80
>289012V
>

80A model A133. in other words, a big fat one. There was an A115 as well,
and sundry others.

pick up a s/h one... they fit 'em to sundry of the bigger fords, as well -
you'll prolly have to change the pulley. One thing about A133 is that it's
got it's own size and type of shaft - A115, fro example, is smaller. I
think you'll find a 100A one will fit instead, if you want.

I think there's a 127 as well.

Have a look in the breaker's for a similar-sized lucas beast...

but there is also the LSUK option, as suggested already.
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beamendsltd · Jan 25, 2005

In message <[email protected]>
"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "JD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Either faulty regulator in the alternator or faulty ignition switch. The
> > failure to start putting out power without revving suggests the former,
> > the
> > light staying on dim, though is the classic symptom of high resistance in
> > the ignition switch (or elsewhere in the circuit, but the switch is most
> > likely).
> > JD
>
> My wallet was braced, however it's now gone into denial.
>
> £160 +Vat was my first quote , they had one in stock but on inspection was
> not the same unit. Popped over the road to Landrover. STC3097 or STC3095...
> i forget... £576 + VAT...........
>
> <Thud>

Well, that's the danger of going to the "other place" ;-)

2.5VM Alternator - A127/65Amp - 69.32 inc VAT
regulator for above - 9.63 inc VAT

2.4VM Alternator - A133/65Amp (Lucas) - 90.00 inc VAT
regulator for above - 5.76 inc VAT

Let face it, when the staff from ther place buy their parts from us,
we must be quite competetive!

>
> "Mr Davies..... Mr Davies.!!!... can someone call an ambulance......"
>
> I forgot to ask if there was any surcharge for exchange units. Any one want

No surcharge here, if you exchange the unit then and there, or we decide
to trust you to return the old one.....

> to buy a Range Rover, needs an Alternator... given its the sum of it's parts
> offers around 2 Million.
>
> Lee D
>
>

Cheers
Richard
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Austin Shackles · Jan 25, 2005

On or around Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:58:49 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Well, that's the danger of going to the "other place" ;-)
>
>2.5VM Alternator - A127/65Amp - 69.32 inc VAT
>regulator for above - 9.63 inc VAT
>
>2.4VM Alternator - A133/65Amp (Lucas) - 90.00 inc VAT
>regulator for above - 5.76 inc VAT
>
>Let face it, when the staff from ther place buy their parts from us,
>we must be quite competetive!

hehe. I bet both fit either, an' all. unless you run into different shaft
sizes.
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Lee_D · Jan 25, 2005

beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Let face it, when the staff from ther place buy their parts from us,
> we must be quite competetive!

Yup indeed at them prices I'd have been straight on the phone knowing what I
know now. I've just got back from Burslem and dropped it off at Marks Auto
Electrics, they are testing and if as they suspect its the rectifier fitting
same for £35.00. I remain hopeful and get to keep the 80 amp unit which
admittedly for my needs seems way OTT but it's nice to be prepared for any
future projects

I managed to get the alternator off last night and removed the pulley etc
all without getting frozen to the driveway.

Hope to be able to get back on with Percy soon so I'm sure I've an ever
growing parts list and even more options given the v8 installation.

Fingers crossed it's the rectifier!

Lee D.

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