Rear side door lock buttons

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Hi, everyone. This is my first post as the new owner of a 110 CSW.

I realised after getting home last night that there's no way to lock the rear side doors. The button (or whatever you call the thing you push/pull to engage the lock) is missing. The box of bits that came with the car apparently includes the rods and buttons, but they need installing.

I've searched every term I can think of but I can't find anything online about how the mechanism goes together. Does anyone have advice/a link/a picture of how things should look inside the door, please?

I haven't taken a door card off yet so maybe it will be obvious what's needed when I do that...

Thanks in advance.

James
 
jwrw said:
Hi, everyone. This is my first post as the new owner of a 110 CSW.

I realised after getting home last night that there's no way to lock the rear side doors. The button (or whatever you call the thing you push/pull to engage the lock) is missing. The box of bits that came with the car apparently includes the rods and buttons, but they need installing.

I've searched every term I can think of but I can't find anything online about how the mechanism goes together. Does anyone have advice/a link/a picture of how things should look inside the door, please?

I haven't taken a door card off yet so maybe it will be obvious what's needed when I do that...

Thanks in advance.

James
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Welcome to LZ!

A post in Introduce Yourself is a nice touch, although technical Defender questions should be asked in this section.

The door buttons come in three sections, all made of flimsy plastic. The rods inside the doors are probably OK.

One section of the button assembly is attached to the door itself. If they are OK, you probably don't need to remove the door cards, which can be a mission in itself. If you do remove the cards, make sure you have plenty of the little plastic fittings which hold the cards on to the doors before you start, they can also break or fall out for a pastime. The inside door handle, and the window winder, also hold the door cards in place, but there are slight variations used over the production runs, so you will have to see what you have got, it is all fairly simple.

If the main part of the door button assembly is unbroken, the surround, and the button itself, install in the hole in the top of the door card, and are located by little plastic pegs, which also break with great regularity. You should be able to fish the rod up from inside the door, possibly using a special tool such as bent coathanger. They you attach the rod through the hole in the button part, and try and snap the surround down in the door card, job done.

It isn't particularly easy, especially the first time you do it, but after you have broken a few you will get the hang of it, maybe.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Defender doors! :)
 
Turboman said:
Welcome to LZ!

A post in Introduce Yourself is a nice touch, although technical Defender questions should be asked in this section.

The door buttons come in three sections, all made of flimsy plastic. The rods inside the doors are probably OK.

One section of the button assembly is attached to the door itself. If they are OK, you probably don't need to remove the door cards, which can be a mission in itself. If you do remove the cards, make sure you have plenty of the little plastic fittings which hold the cards on to the doors before you start, they can also break or fall out for a pastime. The inside door handle, and the window winder, also hold the door cards in place, but there are slight variations used over the production runs, so you will have to see what you have got, it is all fairly simple.

If the main part of the door button assembly is unbroken, the surround, and the button itself, install in the hole in the top of the door card, and are located by little plastic pegs, which also break with great regularity. You should be able to fish the rod up from inside the door, possibly using a special tool such as bent coathanger. They you attach the rod through the hole in the button part, and try and snap the surround down in the door card, job done.

It isn't particularly easy, especially the first time you do it, but after you have broken a few you will get the hang of it, maybe.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Defender doors! :)
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Brilliant, thanks. The whole area where the buttons are supposed to come out has been covered over with leather/vinyl so I will have to poke something through and see what's inside. I take your point about not removing the door card if possible but I have a hunch taking them off might be easier than trying to do surgery through a tiny hole!

(In the meantime I'm working on the basis that if someone wants to steal the vehicle the rear door locks probably won't make much difference. The rear door doesn't lock either but that's because the mechanism or barrel has seized up so it's a different problem)

Yes I will write a separate post to introduce myself properly. Thanks.
 
jwrw said:
Brilliant, thanks. The whole area where the buttons are supposed to come out has been covered over with leather/vinyl so I will have to poke something through and see what's inside. I take your point about not removing the door card if possible but I have a hunch taking them off might be easier than trying to do surgery through a tiny hole!

(In the meantime I'm working on the basis that if someone wants to steal the vehicle the rear door locks probably won't make much difference. The rear door doesn't lock either but that's because the mechanism or barrel has seized up so it's a different problem)

Yes I will write a separate post to introduce myself properly. Thanks.
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The door locks provide very minimal security. You are probably better to chain the vehicle onto something, or use wheel clamps, or some of the many aftermarket security devices, trackers, etc. that are available.

The main thing is to do several things. Every device or lock takes a few minutes to remove/disable, and makes thieves more likely to nick someone else's motor round the corner, because they haven't bothered to do so much.
 
Turboman said:
The door locks provide very minimal security. You are probably better to chain the vehicle onto something, or use wheel clamps, or some of the many aftermarket security devices, trackers, etc. that are available.

The main thing is to do several things. Every device or lock takes a few minutes to remove/disable, and makes thieves more likely to nick someone else's motor round the corner, because they haven't bothered to do so much.
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Yep. There's already a hidden kill switch and a basic steering wheel lock. So that's a start. I've got a motorbike anchor on the front of my house but if I chain it to that I will probably forget and pull the wall down!
 
jwrw said:
. I've got a motorbike anchor on the front of my house but if I chain it to that I will probably forget and pull the wall down!
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that's the sort of thing i'd do too
 
I've rummaged in the box of parts and found these metal rods. But all of them are different.

I think the one on the right is part 24 from this diagram. The other two look like they're supposed to have a lock button screwed onto the end. But if that's the case then I'd expect them to be a matching pair.

If anyone reading this recognises what I have here then please say so! Thanks in advance.


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miktdish said:
Your door locks should look like this then ....
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Thanks. They probably looked like that in 1986 but I think quite a bit has been changed since then. At the moment there is nothing there -- just a blank area of the door card with the covering material stretched over it. It feels like there's a hole for a button instead of a big plastic slider like the one in the picture. I will poke something through it this evening and have a look.
 
jwrw said:
I've rummaged in the box of parts and found these metal rods. But all of them are different.

I think the one on the right is part 24 from this diagram. The other two look like they're supposed to have a lock button screwed onto the end. But if that's the case then I'd expect them to be a matching pair.

If anyone reading this recognises what I have here then please say so! Thanks in advance.


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The only one of those that might be part of the door mechanism on a Defender is the little bar on the far right.
Those buttons might be off a 70s Cortina, but they might not be part of a car at all.

Can you post a few pics of what you actually have on the door?
 
Turboman said:
The only one of those that might be part of the door mechanism on a Defender is the little bar on the far right.
Those buttons might be off a 70s Cortina, but they might not be part of a car at all.

Can you post a few pics of what you actually have on the door?
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Yes, here’s a pic. Maybe if I buy a Cortina it will come with the Defender door lock parts?

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I had a look inside. On the right there was a rod with a threaded end dangling down inside the door. I fished it out and poked it through the fabric and screwed the Cortina button on and now it works. So I can lock and unlock the right door.

On the left I wasn’t so lucky. The dangling rod wasn’t there on that side. I took the door card off and found that the horizontal rod is there but the bits at the ends are gone. I’m missing a small link that should go down to the actual latch mechanism, roughly where the red line is in my picture. I’ll have a look at the parts diagram.

For now I can lock the left door manually by pushing that last part of the mechanism by hand.

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They are the correct doors for an '86. First they were lift up handle 2 piece, then lift up handle 1 piece (yours) then later push button handle. You will struggle to find bits for your doors as I did, so I flogged the lot and got push button doors, that was 18 yrs ago.
 
jwrw said:
I had a look inside. On the right there was a rod with a threaded end dangling down inside the door. I fished it out and poked it through the fabric and screwed the Cortina button on and now it works. So I can lock and unlock the right door.

On the left I wasn’t so lucky. The dangling rod wasn’t there on that side. I took the door card off and found that the horizontal rod is there but the bits at the ends are gone. I’m missing a small link that should go down to the actual latch mechanism, roughly where the red line is in my picture. I’ll have a look at the parts diagram.

For now I can lock the left door manually by pushing that last part of the mechanism by hand.

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Thinking that is a home made re-cover on the door cards. The stitching, and the screws through the card holding it on, don't look like anything I have seen before.
 
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