Rear bench seats

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Stupot19

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Hi all im fitting two rear bench seats into my 1987 land rover 90 and was wondering where is the best place to get lap belts and buckles as i would need 4?
Also i have read that as they are sidewards facing seats they dont need seatbelts
Can someone elighten me on this please
All helps apreciated thanks

Stu
 
I have one lap belt either side on my bench seats, Bolted to the seat frame one end and a hole in the tub base half way down the seat the other end

I could put two either side but only have two kids :D

Im sure they were about £15 for two of flea bay

My motor is exempt belts but I have them
 
Thanks for the reply i will have a look for some on flea bay i dont really carry passengers but just want them incase i do as there is only me and the missus
 
I have one lap belt either side on my bench seats, Bolted to the seat frame one end and a hole in the tub base half way down the seat the other end

I could put two either side but only have two kids :D

Im sure they were about £15 for two of flea bay

My motor is exempt belts but I have them

I've been pondering where to fit my lap belts, this sounds a ruddy good idea.

Do you have a pic to give me an idea how you've done it.? :)
 
Im a bit scewed for taking pics at the mo

Mine are series seats which hook in at the top to the tub and then bolt to the floor ,, then the base folds up
I bolted the buckle to the seat frame near were it bolts through the floor
The other end is bolted through the wheel arch floor with a plate and a lock nut, the plate is for strength and will take another belt if i wanted to fit one,
This end comes up between the back and base

I sat in the seat with the belts over my lap to work out the best position to fix them in

M10 bolts & lock nuts
big washers & or a plate
 
Can you point me in the direction of your listing please id like to take a look and if im right in thinking they are for sale i might buy them
Thanks
Stuart
 
No seat belt is designed for a side facing seat, so I wouldn't bother with belts or put kids on a side facing seat.
 
I have one lap belt either side on my bench seats, Bolted to the seat frame one end and a hole in the tub base half way down the seat the other end

I could put two either side but only have two kids :D

Im sure they were about £15 for two of flea bay

My motor is exempt belts but I have them


For your consideration...

For Clarificaion from here Child Car Seats : The Law : From September 06 : FAQ

Q: I have sideways facing seats in my vehicle, can I still carry children in them from September?

A: Sideways facing seats are not a safe way to travel. An adult seat belt is not designed to restrain an occupant who is sitting sidewards, and the same applies to child seats.

Seats tested to UN ECE R44 are not designed, or intended for, vehicle's sidewards facing seats, and do not count as the correct restraint for the child. A child restraint cannot be used on a sidewards facing seat.

And according to Dft website Think! | Children: Child car seats
no Children at all may uise a side facing seat (Though I doubt their advice/statements are legally correct)
3. What do I do if my vehicle -
- has no seat belts, or no rear seat belts?
If a vehicle has no seat belts - if it's a classic car, for example - a child aged 3 years and over is allowed to travel in a rear seat unrestrained.

A child under 3 years old may not travel in cars, vans or goods vehicles which do not have seat belts.

- only has lap belts?
A child is not exempt from using a child restraint in a seat with only a lap belt.

It is difficult to find a child seat or booster that the manufacturer has designed to be used just with a lap belt and you may need to talk to a specialist supplier. Alternatively, consider fitting a lap and diagonal belt in the car. If a manufacturer says that a particular child restraint system is only suitable for use with a lap and diagonal belt, or that their product should not be used with a lap belt only, you should take this seriously.

A lap belt doesn't provide maximum protection for a child, whether it's used with a booster or not. The child's unrestrained upper body is liable to pivot around the lap belt with the increased risk of injury to the soft tissues of the abdomen. A lap belt may also be difficult to fit properly on a child.

Children may need to be moved round the vehicle so that they use seats where their child seats/boosters can be fitted, including a front seat - but check advice about children and air-bags - see Qs 4 and 5.

- has no rear seats?
Apart from those in rear-facing seats when there is an active front air-bag, children can travel in the front seat of any vehicle provided they are properly restrained. This includes 2-seaters or convertibles, even if the top is down.

See more on baby seats and air bags - see Q5.
See more on child seats and air bags - see Q6.

- has sideways-facing seats?
There's no legal requirement to fit seat belts in sideways-facing seats. The human body bends forward from the waist - not sideways - so the potential for internal and spinal injury is high if a passenger uses a seat belt in a sideways-facing seat. For similar reasons child seats and boosters cannot be approved for using in a sideways-facing seat.

Therefore, a child who is required to use a child seat/booster (ie, all those under 135 cm tall who are also under 12 years old) cannot travel in a sideways-facing seat. A child who needs to use a child seat or booster must use a forward or rear-facing seat.


If anyone knows of any legally binding ruling or official website that contradicts the above info Please feel free to post a link. Where childrens lives are concerned I don't think anyone posting "well I don't agree because" is worth the screen space they take up.
 
Im fully aware that side facing seats are not a great way to travel,
I very rarely have people in the back and if For one moment thought they were unsafe they wouldn't be in there ,:)

which brings me onto

On my long list of thing to do is to fit two forward facing rear seat (out of a car or some bucket seats)
Sketched out in my head only at the mo is to have them together across the tub , Having the floor as a foot well and access over th wheel arches
Ill have to measure up

Im open to any suggestions and pictures of any one who has done this as it has now moved up my list
:D
 
No belt is much safer than lap belts in side facing seats :/

Since when?

No belt means whatever accident you are in, you will be thrown about inside the vehicle causing damage to yourself and other occupants.

A lap belt on a side facing seat may not help the passenger much in a head-on collision, but it will prevent injuries to other occupants.

Furthermore, the law's comments relate to accidents where the vehicle collides head on. In a side impact to the front part of the vehicle, the lap belt will do it's job.
 
To get back to the OP's original question :rolleyes: I have fitted lap belts to the rear of my 110. I used the seat belts from the side facing seats from a Discovery 1. I drilled a hole through the bottom of the seatbox behind the seat bases and used M12 bolts with nylock nuts bolted through 70mm x70mm x 3mm steel spreader plates.
 
Since when?

No belt means whatever accident you are in, you will be thrown about inside the vehicle causing damage to yourself and other occupants.

A lap belt on a side facing seat may not help the passenger much in a head-on collision, but it will prevent injuries to other occupants.

Furthermore, the law's comments relate to accidents where the vehicle collides head on. In a side impact to the front part of the vehicle, the lap belt will do it's job.

Since forever!

I agree in side on collisions they are ok, but the majority off crashes are head on and would cause serious damage to spines and probably kill.. There's no proper statistics on the subject that i can find so it's just a matter of opinion at the end of the day.
 
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