Re: OT : Ghost

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Mark Solesbury

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On 30/08/2006 17:01, Lee_D wrote:
> Right my little techie friends , no point spending the coffee break

reading here. There is no escape ;-)
>
> Whats the deal with this Ghost thing where I can dump my harddrive to

disk incase of terminal failure?
>
> Does it also copy all the installed software too?
> Recommended Ghost proggys for peanuts for windows XP please.
>
> I'd like to reformat at some point but I'm not sure Ghosting would be

best and anything else seems like alot of hard work
>
> Discuss :)
>
> Lee D


We use Drive Image Pro at work.

Dont ask me how it works - but it can reliably create an iso of your
entire system, with boot partition, OS, and data while windows is still
running..!

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Mark
90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd

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It creates an image of your hard drive with a .gho extension. You also
have to create a special boot disk & store the ghost image on a
different partition, network share etc.

If you want free then use NTBackup (built into Win2k / XPPro) to create
a SysState backup, along with your system & data partitions.

Restoring from either will completely restore your PC to the state it
was when you backed up - desktop, installed apps, email, favourites -
the whole lot. Just watch out - Ghost isn't that great if you try to
restore to different HW than you created the image on. Oh & WPA is
also a pain if you change HW.

Regards,
Chris.


Mark Solesbury wrote:
> On 30/08/2006 17:01, Lee_D wrote:
> > Right my little techie friends , no point spending the coffee break

> reading here. There is no escape ;-)
> >
> > Whats the deal with this Ghost thing where I can dump my harddrive to

> disk incase of terminal failure?
> >
> > Does it also copy all the installed software too?
> > Recommended Ghost proggys for peanuts for windows XP please.
> >
> > I'd like to reformat at some point but I'm not sure Ghosting would be

> best and anything else seems like alot of hard work
> >
> > Discuss :)
> >
> > Lee D

>
> We use Drive Image Pro at work.
>
> Dont ask me how it works - but it can reliably create an iso of your
> entire system, with boot partition, OS, and data while windows is still
> running..!
>
> --
> Mark
> 90 90 200tdi - Fixed :)
> 87 RR V8 EFI - Sorn'd
>
> http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - Firefox Rules!
> http://fireftp.mozdev.org/ - FTP Plugin for Firefox


 
Hi,

Ghost is an excellent program, but there are cases where it can cause
severe problems.

If you are going to use Ghost, there are a couple of situations you
should avoid.

1. NEVER use Ghost to duplicate NT based systems (windows NT, 2000, XP,
Server 2003) if those systems are ever likely to end up on a Windows
2000/2003 domain. Te reason is that every system is given a unique ID
during setup, which is used by the domain controllers. If you set up
the systems, and then Ghost them, when they join the domain, they all
appear to be the same system. The first inkling of a problem is when
you can't log on from certain machines. You can get round this but it
is a pain.

2. Do not use Ghost to move an NT based system to different hardware.
Windows is now particularly sensitive to hardware, and it is detected
at the start of Windows setup where it says "Setup is inspecting your
hardware". At this point, it is evaluating the Hardware Abstraction
layer to use, and depending on the results, it sets up the registry to
expect data based on the HAL detected. In particular, the power
management software makes a massive difference - the ACPI HAL uses a
totally different registry structure from the other HAL's. Also, if
the IDE chipset is different (Sis instead of Intel for example), you
will get an inaccessible boot device error.

3. If you want to move Windows to new hardware (such as when your
motherboard fails), the ONLY supported way is to back the system up
using the Windows Backup applet (it was written by Seagate and it's
actally quite good). Make sure you include the System State when
backing up. Then on the new system, install the operating system, and
service pack it to the same level as your original system. Then
restore from Backup. Now re-install Windows on top of this backup -
this ensures that the hardware is correctly setup. Finally, re-apply
the latest service pack.

I know it's a bit of a pain, but this is the only reliable way of
moving a system. As an IT consultant, I have probably done this about
20 times in the last year, and it has worked every time bar one. That
one time was when a fellow consultant here in Zimbabwe had tried to use
Ghost to transfer a Server 2003 system to a new motherboard. After two
days trying, we gave up trying to get the Dial up networking to work,
and re-installed the system from scratch.

So be careful how you use Ghost. It is a wonderful tool for moving data
from one disk to another. But please, do not rely on it as your only
backup mechanism, as if you have a motherboard failure, you may have
severe problems. Use the inbuilt NTBACKUP utility (except XP Home
edition), to back your system up to a file as well.

I also believe that Ghost has a problem with the new disk volume
structure being used by Windows. This replaces the old DOS based
partitions. You may have noticed when installing Windows, that you
can't use the whole disk - about 8Mb is reserved. This is used to
stoed information about the disk, for use by the dynamic volume system
now supported by Windows. In this 8Mb, they store the new volume
table, and the disk's unique ID. If you Ghost this area, Windows will
think that both disks are the same, and get very confused. I think
this is what happened when Martin (Mother) ghosted his disks.

Sorry about the length of this, but I think this is valuable
information, and could prevent a fellow LR enthusiast losing his life's
work!!

Cheers!
Graham Carter
Carter Computer Services (Pvt) Ltd
P.O. Box A1619
Avondale
Harare
Zimbabwe
Tel: +263 4 300082
Cell: +263 91 329310
Fax: +263 918 329310
email:[email protected]

 
On 1 Sep 2006 12:15:51 -0700, "Graham Carter" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Ghost is an excellent program, but there are cases where it can cause
>severe problems.
>
>If you are going to use Ghost, there are a couple of situations you
>should avoid.


This is what sysprep is for!. Though i dont think Lee wants to mess
with this!
I run 10 or so schools and we have at most 2 ghost images for each
school that each work on 2-15 different hardware sets!.

Pretty much everything that is a P3 and better will work on the
'advanced computer and power interface ACPI' HAL now. Everything will
work with the 'standard' HAL but dont autoshutdown.

I thought there was a SIDchange utitily with ghost too for changing
the SID so you can use it on a domain? (sysprep does the same thing
and i use that)

 
Graham Carter wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ghost is an excellent program, but there are cases where it can cause
> severe problems.
>
> If you are going to use Ghost, there are a couple of situations you
> should avoid.
>
> 1. NEVER use Ghost to duplicate NT based systems (windows NT, 2000, XP,
> Server 2003) if those systems are ever likely to end up on a Windows
> 2000/2003 domain. Te reason is that every system is given a unique ID
> during setup, which is used by the domain controllers. If you set up
> the systems, and then Ghost them, when they join the domain, they all
> appear to be the same system. The first inkling of a problem is when
> you can't log on from certain machines. You can get round this but it
> is a pain.


Sysprep overcomes this quite happily. Or if you just delete the GUID
key from the registry before connecting to the network Windows
re-creates it on next startup and all is happy again.


--
EMB
 
Graham Carter wrote:
-snip-
>
> 2. Do not use Ghost to move an NT based system to different hardware.
> Windows is now particularly sensitive to hardware, and it is detected
> at the start of Windows setup where it says "Setup is inspecting your
> hardware". At this point, it is evaluating the Hardware Abstraction
> layer to use, and depending on the results, it sets up the registry to
> expect data based on the HAL detected. In particular, the power
> management software makes a massive difference - the ACPI HAL uses a
> totally different registry structure from the other HAL's. Also, if
> the IDE chipset is different (Sis instead of Intel for example), you
> will get an inaccessible boot device error.
>
> 3. If you want to move Windows to new hardware (such as when your
> motherboard fails), the ONLY supported way is to back the system up
> using the Windows Backup applet (it was written by Seagate and it's
> actally quite good). Make sure you include the System State when
> backing up. Then on the new system, install the operating system, and
> service pack it to the same level as your original system. Then
> restore from Backup. Now re-install Windows on top of this backup -
> this ensures that the hardware is correctly setup. Finally, re-apply
> the latest service pack.
> -snip-


I've moved many W2K systems to new hardware (completely new
motherboards with different processor and chipsets). The easy way is
to install the W2K hardrive in the new system, boot from the W2K CD,
selecting the upgrade option. This will initiate the HAL inspection
and the new hardware will be installed. At the next reboot let the
hard drive boot and your previous system will be recovered.


--
Regards, Danny

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>
> I've moved many W2K systems to new hardware (completely new
> motherboards with different processor and chipsets). The easy way is
> to install the W2K hardrive in the new system, boot from the W2K CD,
> selecting the upgrade option. This will initiate the HAL inspection
> and the new hardware will be installed. At the next reboot let the
> hard drive boot and your previous system will be recovered.
>
>
> --
> Regards, Danny


Hi Danny,

That procedure will work as well - running that setup is the important
thing.

My comments previously assumed that a new disk was being used.

Ghosting the hard disk will, I believe, cause a problem if you Ghost
the part of the disk with the information about volumes on the disk.
If you leave both drives in the system, Windows will think they are the
same drive, and the Fault Tolerant software will get very confused.

Cheers!
Graham

 
Graham Carter <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> If you leave both drives in the system, Windows will think they are
> the same drive, and the Fault Tolerant software will get very
> confused.
>
> Cheers!
> Graham


Where does this Fault tolerant software hang out... I think I need a drink!

;-)

Lee D


 
On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:55:34 +0100, Lee_D
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Graham Carter <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> ...
>> and the Fault Tolerant software will get very
>> confused.


> Where does this Fault tolerant software hang out...


safely locked away in its shrink-wrap.

> I think I need a drink!


/clink

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 

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