Re: laws on storing fuel

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Lee_D

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• Dec 10, 2004

• #1

"Mr.Nice." <mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 16:14:16 +0000, Mr.Nice.
> <mr.nice@*nospam*clara.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>can anyone give me a quick idiots guide on the laws on storing fuel?
>>such as how much of what and where kinda thing.

Do you know summat we don't?

:-/

Lee D

 

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Ian Rawlings

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #2

Lee_D wrote:

> Do you know summat we don't?

When I last looked into it, when pump diesel was 85p/l you could get it
wholesale for 63p/l in 1000 litre quantities, a 2000 litre tank in the
garden would pay for itself in a few years.

 

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John Oakes

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #3

>
>
> The wife heard something on the news, or the end of something, about
> the supermarkets going stupidly competitive on fuel prices, as I've
> got a long-trip coming up in January (19 day tour of scotland, I live
> in cornwall), and I've been thinking of buying a load of jerrycans
> anyway..... you see where I'm going with this.
>
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
Probably your best solution by far. At least you will able to monitor
your quantity of fuel. Old method was 2 pallets, 1 for empty jerrycans
and the other for full. If you plan to store this way, try a method of
turnovers to prevent sediment build up.
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Dave Liquorice

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #4

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:25:52 +0000, Mr.Nice. wrote:

> The wife heard something on the news, or the end of something, about
> the supermarkets going stupidly competitive on fuel prices,

Doesn't that mean the prices will be coming down? The price of crude
has fallen dramatically in the last week or so from about $45/barrel
to below $38 (it has risen a bit more to $40 at the end of the week).
Remember that at the end of October it was $53/barrel... This is for
Brent Crude, US crude has had similar profile from $50 to $42/barrel
in the last week.

> I've been thinking of buying a load of jerrycans anyway.....

Where can you get, quality, cheap jerry cans? CPC Have them at =A312.51 =

+ VAT (=A314.70 inc) metal spouts (don't forget that, jerry cans don't
pour nicely without one...) =A35.50 + VAT (=A36.46).

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Austin Shackles

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #5

On or around Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:03:08 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Lee_D wrote:
>
>> Do you know summat we don't?
>
>When I last looked into it, when pump diesel was 85p/l you could get it
>wholesale for 63p/l in 1000 litre quantities, a 2000 litre tank in the
>garden would pay for itself in a few years.

bleedin' changed then. about 8 years ago I started a taxi company, and
looked into bulk fuel prices. At that time, buying about 2000l could be
done cheaper than the local filling station, but not cheaper than Safeway's
forecourt. The local bulk supplier reckoned they couldn't get 20,000l at
the price per litre Safeway were selling it at.

now red, of course, is a different story. As is 28-second heating fuel.
But it's not a good idea running on those...

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #6

On or around Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:18:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Doesn't that mean the prices will be coming down? The price of crude
>has fallen dramatically in the last week or so from about $45/barrel
>to below $38 (it has risen a bit more to $40 at the end of the week).
>Remember that at the end of October it was $53/barrel... This is for
>Brent Crude, US crude has had similar profile from $50 to $42/barrel
>in the last week.

and does the price at the pump go down? does it buggery.

LPG at the local place is 40.9, same garage has diesel at 87.9 and UL at
85.9, IIRC.

so the LPG is still just under half price, but still too bloody expensive.

 

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Tim Hobbs

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #7

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:18:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:25:52 +0000, Mr.Nice. wrote:
>
>> The wife heard something on the news, or the end of something, about
>> the supermarkets going stupidly competitive on fuel prices,
>
>Doesn't that mean the prices will be coming down? The price of crude
>has fallen dramatically in the last week or so from about $45/barrel
>to below $38 (it has risen a bit more to $40 at the end of the week).
>Remember that at the end of October it was $53/barrel... This is for
>Brent Crude, US crude has had similar profile from $50 to $42/barrel
>in the last week.
>
>> I've been thinking of buying a load of jerrycans anyway.....
>
>Where can you get, quality, cheap jerry cans? CPC Have them at £12.51
>+ VAT (£14.70 inc) metal spouts (don't forget that, jerry cans don't
>pour nicely without one...) £5.50 + VAT (£6.46).

I think Halfords do them for £20, including the spout? ICBW...
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Tim Hobbs

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #8

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:18:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 10:25:52 +0000, Mr.Nice. wrote:
>
>> The wife heard something on the news, or the end of something, about
>> the supermarkets going stupidly competitive on fuel prices,
>
>Doesn't that mean the prices will be coming down? The price of crude
>has fallen dramatically in the last week or so from about $45/barrel
>to below $38 (it has risen a bit more to $40 at the end of the week).
>Remember that at the end of October it was $53/barrel... This is for
>Brent Crude, US crude has had similar profile from $50 to $42/barrel
>in the last week.
>
>> I've been thinking of buying a load of jerrycans anyway.....
>
>Where can you get, quality, cheap jerry cans? CPC Have them at £12.51
>+ VAT (£14.70 inc) metal spouts (don't forget that, jerry cans don't
>pour nicely without one...) £5.50 + VAT (£6.46).

Screwfix ...


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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com

 

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Simon Atkinson

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #9

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:18:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> > Doesn't that mean the prices will be coming down? The price of
> > crude has fallen dramatically in the last week or so from about
> > $45/barrel to below $38 (it has risen a bit more to $40 at the end
> > of the week). Remember that at the end of October it was
> > $53/barrel... This is for Brent Crude, US crude has had similar
> > profile from $50 to $42/barrel in the last week.
>
> and does the price at the pump go down? does it buggery.

It's gone down (oil price) more than it appears - A dollar has gone
from 60p to about 2p now...

 

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Dave Liquorice

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #10

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:36:32 +0000, Tim Hobbs wrote:

>> Where can you get, quality, cheap jerry cans? CPC Have them at
>> =A312.51 + VAT (=A314.70 inc) metal spouts (don't forget that, jerry =

>> cans don't pour nicely without one...) =A35.50 + VAT (=A36.46).
>
> Screwfix ...

Erm Screwfix jerry cans are =A314.99 inc. Spouts are cheaper though,
=A33.99 inc. B-)

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Dave Liquorice

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #11

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:31:46 +0000, Tim Hobbs wrote:

> I think Halfords do them for =A320, including the spout? ICBW...

Not listed on their site, at least a search for "jerry" doesn't turn
anything up. I already have a spout, I mentioned it for completeness.

Now having a diesel I feel the need for at least another jerry can for
diesel, already have petrol for the lawn mower/strimmer and SWMBO'd
car when she "forgets" to fill it up.

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Dave Liquorice

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• Dec 11, 2004

• #12

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:29:32 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote:

> and does the price at the pump go down? does it buggery.

I don't think petrol/diesel went up as much as it could have done.
Heating oil damn well did, guess who had to buy 2000l at the peak, at
26.5p/l + VAT (@5%), it's "normally" around 17p/l... On that basis
petrol/diesel ought to have gone to up the order of 120p/l...

> LPG at the local place is 40.9, same garage has diesel at 87.9 and
> UL at 85.9, IIRC.

Those prices look high to me for "supermarket" prices but not far off
for isolated, private rather than chain, garage. But having been ill
for two weeks, not having wheels for the two weeks before that I'm out
of touch with pump prices ATM.

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Ian Rawlings

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #13

Austin Shackles wrote:

> now red, of course, is a different story. As is 28-second heating fuel.
> But it's not a good idea running on those...

So what the foosh is 28-second heating fuel then? Not heard that term
used before.

I have kerosene heating, it has the text "NOT TO BE USED AS ROAD FUEL"
on the invoice, so alerting everyone to the fact that it could be used
as road fuel!

A fried in the car trade in Southampton said that a good 50% of the
diesel cars coming in for servicing are running on Marine diesel, and
another friend who used to go hot air ballooning stated that most of the
vans and landies that chase the balloons run on the balloon gas!

Sometimes when filling up at the filling station I feel like the odd one
out... So I bosh a few litres of veg oil in just to make me feel normal!

 

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Simon Atkinson

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #14

Ian Rawlings wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> > now red, of course, is a different story. As is 28-second heating
> > fuel. But it's not a good idea running on those...
>
> So what the foosh is 28-second heating fuel then? Not heard that
> term used before.

28 second is paraffin (kerosene) and 35 second is Diesel. It's a
measure of the time taken for a given amount to drian through a given
sized orofice.


> I have kerosene heating, it has the text "NOT TO BE USED AS ROAD
> FUEL" on the invoice, so alerting everyone to the fact that it could
> be used as road fuel!

Not brilliant in a diesel - it will run, but not produce much power and
the smell from the exhaust is a dead give away.

 

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David G. Bell

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #15

On Sunday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "Ian Rawlings" wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
>
> > now red, of course, is a different story. As is 28-second heating fuel.
> > But it's not a good idea running on those...
>
> So what the foosh is 28-second heating fuel then? Not heard that term
> used before.

It's a viscosity measurement. I think Kerosene is 28-second, and Diesel
is something like 35-second, but I haven't seen the term on any recent
invoices.

I shall have to ask the vicar if they charge him duty on the coal for
his traction engine.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

Wrought under license granted by Her Majesty's Apostropher Royal AD MMIV

 

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Ian Rawlings

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #16

Dave Liquorice wrote:

> Where can you get, quality, cheap jerry cans? CPC Have them at £12.51
> + VAT (£14.70 inc) metal spouts (don't forget that, jerry cans don't
> pour nicely without one...) £5.50 + VAT (£6.46).

Is there some kind of jerry can famine going on? Last time I bought
some was about 2 years ago from Keith Gott in Alton and/or Safari
Engineering in Eversley, they were about £3 each and all in very good
condition and very sturdily built.

 

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[email protected]

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #17

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:37:04 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
("David G. Bell") wrote:

>I shall have to ask the vicar if they charge him duty on the coal for
>his traction engine.

Gas producing engines are exempt all road tax, I think steam is the
gas they meant but have seen pictures of a unimog 404 running on wood.

AJH

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #18

On or around Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:50:19 +0000, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>So what the foosh is 28-second heating fuel then? Not heard that term
>used before.
>
>I have kerosene heating, it has the text "NOT TO BE USED AS ROAD FUEL"
>on the invoice, so alerting everyone to the fact that it could be used
>as road fuel!

dat's der bunny. as distinguished from 35-second. There's a standard by
which they judge how long it takes a particular quantity to pass through a
standard sized orifice. 35-second oil is thicker than 28-second.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #19

On or around 11 Dec 2004 15:50:48 GMT, "Simon Atkinson" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles wrote:
>
>> On or around Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:18:10 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> > Doesn't that mean the prices will be coming down? The price of
>> > crude has fallen dramatically in the last week or so from about
>> > $45/barrel to below $38 (it has risen a bit more to $40 at the end
>> > of the week). Remember that at the end of October it was
>> > $53/barrel... This is for Brent Crude, US crude has had similar
>> > profile from $50 to $42/barrel in the last week.
>>
>> and does the price at the pump go down? does it buggery.
>
>It's gone down (oil price) more than it appears - A dollar has gone
>from 60p to about 2p now...

I wish. could get a very nice deal on a new disco3, about $28K, someone
said, so that's, erm, lessee, about 560 quid at 2p/$... It'd be worth
paying the import duty on that, and driving a left-hooker.

 

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Dave Liquorice

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• Dec 12, 2004

• #20

On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 10:44:53 +0000, Ian Rawlings wrote:

> Is there some kind of jerry can famine going on? Last time I bought
> some was about 2 years ago from Keith Gott in Alton and/or Safari
> Engineering in Eversley, they were about =A33 each and all in very
> good condition and very sturdily built.

The prices I have been quoting have been for new not second user. Saw
someone on ebay last night with "100's in stock" at =A310 each but with =

=A37.95 postage...

Anchor Supplies are out of stock of ex-MOD ones at =A35.00, they have
fully refurbished ex-MOD at =A312.50 and new commercial (not MOD) for
=A317.50. Delivery guide price =A37.50 for 1-6 of any type.

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