R380 gearbox - converting from short to long stick

I am in the middle of rebuilding a 90 - was 2.5 petrol, now has a V8 in
it. I managed to get hold of a low mileage engine from a 110, an R380
box from a V8-engined Disco II, welded in some engine mounts cut out of
a scrap Stage 1 V8, and it all fits together beautifully, except for
the gearchange mechanism. Looking through the parts catalogue, it
seems I have to replace the selector shaft, the quadrant on the end of
the shaft, and one of the selector forks. Then I can fit the
'long-stick' gearchange from a Defender. At the moment the gear lever
sticks through the middle of where the seatbox should be.

So - how much dismantling is needed to change a selector shaft? I
don't have a workshop manual for the R380, but if it's anything like
the LT77 the gear clusters have to come out, needing a whole load of
special tools which I don't have. If anyone has any suggestions for
(1) a quick and easy way to replace the selector shaft (2) a way to
convert the box to long-stick configuration without changing the
selector shaft or (3) contact details for someone who will do the job
for a sensible price, I will be most grateful.

Many thanks, Richard

glencoyne <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> I am in the middle of rebuilding a 90 - was 2.5 petrol, now has a V8
> in it. I managed to get hold of a low mileage engine from a 110, an
> R380 box from a V8-engined Disco II, welded in some engine mounts cut
> out of a scrap Stage 1 V8, and it all fits together beautifully,
> except for the gearchange mechanism. Looking through the parts
> catalogue, it seems I have to replace the selector shaft, the
> quadrant on the end of the shaft, and one of the selector forks.
> Then I can fit the 'long-stick' gearchange from a Defender. At the
> moment the gear lever sticks through the middle of where the seatbox
> should be.
>
> So - how much dismantling is needed to change a selector shaft? I
> don't have a workshop manual for the R380, but if it's anything like
> the LT77 the gear clusters have to come out, needing a whole load of
> special tools which I don't have. If anyone has any suggestions for
> (1) a quick and easy way to replace the selector shaft (2) a way to
> convert the box to long-stick configuration without changing the
> selector shaft or (3) contact details for someone who will do the job
> for a sensible price, I will be most grateful.
>
> Many thanks, Richard

Ever looked at a 101 gear selector?

It uses a Rangie box which (in basic terms) has a lever running horizontally
and forwards to a fitting on the front of the engine where it fastens to a
second gearstick type arrangement. Of course there are a number of bushes
and bolts but nowt that couldn't be retro made for your application, say so
the horizontal selector came thro the seat box at the bit where it's near
verticle, then build a tunnel over it. Hardest bit would be aquiring the
bottom end of the slave gearstick for want of a more fitting description.

Now, thats how I'd probably do it, however, someone will pop along in a mo
and tell you how to do it properly

Lee D
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In message <[email protected]>
"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote:

> glencoyne <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> > I am in the middle of rebuilding a 90 - was 2.5 petrol, now has a V8
> > in it. I managed to get hold of a low mileage engine from a 110, an
> > R380 box from a V8-engined Disco II, welded in some engine mounts cut
> > out of a scrap Stage 1 V8, and it all fits together beautifully,
> > except for the gearchange mechanism. Looking through the parts
> > catalogue, it seems I have to replace the selector shaft, the
> > quadrant on the end of the shaft, and one of the selector forks.
> > Then I can fit the 'long-stick' gearchange from a Defender. At the
> > moment the gear lever sticks through the middle of where the seatbox
> > should be.
> >
> > So - how much dismantling is needed to change a selector shaft? I
> > don't have a workshop manual for the R380, but if it's anything like
> > the LT77 the gear clusters have to come out, needing a whole load of
> > special tools which I don't have. If anyone has any suggestions for
> > (1) a quick and easy way to replace the selector shaft (2) a way to
> > convert the box to long-stick configuration without changing the
> > selector shaft or (3) contact details for someone who will do the job
> > for a sensible price, I will be most grateful.
> >
> > Many thanks, Richard
>
> Ever looked at a 101 gear selector?
>
> It uses a Rangie box which (in basic terms) has a lever running horizontally
> and forwards to a fitting on the front of the engine where it fastens to a
> second gearstick type arrangement. Of course there are a number of bushes
> and bolts but nowt that couldn't be retro made for your application, say so
> the horizontal selector came thro the seat box at the bit where it's near
> verticle, then build a tunnel over it. Hardest bit would be aquiring the
> bottom end of the slave gearstick for want of a more fitting description.
>
> Now, thats how I'd probably do it, however, someone will pop along in a mo
> and tell you how to do it properly
>
> Lee D

<pedantic>
The 101 does not use the Range Rover Box - the Range Rover Uses the 101
gearbox.
</pedantic>

Richard
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On or around Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:34:08 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

><pedantic>
>The 101 does not use the Range Rover Box - the Range Rover Uses the 101
>gearbox.
></pedantic>

which was developed first? RR development started when, about '68?

I'd have thought it was a concurrent project.


and AFAIK it's a not inconsiderable job to change from short stick à la
disco to long stick à la RRC - I looked at doing the opposite swap and
decided it wasn't worth it. needs at least a partial gearbox strip, and
unless you know the box is VERY good, you might as well change bearings and
so forth while you're in there, etc... in my case, it proved a better option
to have a recon 'box and a new transfer gear.

'course, I then ended up selling the vehicle. But there again, the new 'box
was a good selling point. Wonder how it's faring up there in the North? I
forget which bit of north, now... Scotland somewhere. Peeps in scotland can
keep an eye out for it

blue metallic V8 disco, HnnnWTS (so it's got back nearer it's orioginal
home, probably) with, when I sold it, LR bullbar and spots.

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beamendsltd <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> <pedantic>
> The 101 does not use the Range Rover Box - the Range Rover Uses the
> 101 gearbox.
> </pedantic>
>
> Richard

LOL! Excuse mi ignorance... something to do with being aged minus 4 at
around the relevant time ;-)

That and a lack of attention to detail ( a landrover trait!)

Lee D

In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:34:08 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> ><pedantic>
> >The 101 does not use the Range Rover Box - the Range Rover Uses the 101
> >gearbox.
> ></pedantic>
>
> which was developed first? RR development started when, about '68?
>
> I'd have thought it was a concurrent project.
>

It was definately designed for the 101 first. I have a mate who can
literally tell you how many rivets a this-or-that should have for the
vehicles made in May 19xx - and 99% of the time he can prove it as he has
one in a shed. Some of the articles in the comics are quite amusing as
we chat with a cuppa on the bonnet of a vehicle that doesn't exist!

Those who have followed LR for the last 30 years or so will know him.

>
> and AFAIK it's a not inconsiderable job to change from short stick à la
> disco to long stick à la RRC - I looked at doing the opposite swap and
> decided it wasn't worth it. needs at least a partial gearbox strip, and
> unless you know the box is VERY good, you might as well change bearings and
> so forth while you're in there, etc... in my case, it proved a better option
> to have a recon 'box and a new transfer gear.
>
> 'course, I then ended up selling the vehicle. But there again, the new 'box
> was a good selling point. Wonder how it's faring up there in the North? I
> forget which bit of north, now... Scotland somewhere. Peeps in scotland can
> keep an eye out for it
>
> blue metallic V8 disco, HnnnWTS (so it's got back nearer it's orioginal
> home, probably) with, when I sold it, LR bullbar and spots.
>

Richard
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On or around Sat, 3 Dec 2005 11:47:52 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>beamendsltd <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
>about:
>> <pedantic>
>> The 101 does not use the Range Rover Box - the Range Rover Uses the
>> 101 gearbox.
>> </pedantic>
>>
>> Richard
>
>LOL! Excuse mi ignorance... something to do with being aged minus 4 at
>around the relevant time ;-)
>
>That and a lack of attention to detail ( a landrover trait!)

while I was in fact born, I wasn't in a position to notice such things as
Land Rovers.

I was apparently thrown out of a Land Rover at the tender age of about 6
months, when me mother, through going to sleep at the wheel, drove it into a
large ditch.
--
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If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)

Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:
> while I was in fact born, I wasn't in a position to notice such
> things as Land Rovers.
>
> I was apparently thrown out of a Land Rover at the tender age of
> about 6 months, when me mother, through going to sleep at the wheel,
> drove it into a large ditch.

Must be a trend emerging here.. I fell out the back of a IIa on to my head
at the age of about 7. Not moving but parked in a pub carpark in Anglesea if
my very vague recollection is right. Spooky!

Lee D

....and Lee_D spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
> funny about:
>> while I was in fact born, I wasn't in a position to notice such
>> things as Land Rovers.
>>
>> I was apparently thrown out of a Land Rover at the tender age of
>> about 6 months, when me mother, through going to sleep at the wheel,
>> drove it into a large ditch.
>
> Must be a trend emerging here.. I fell out the back of a IIa on to my
> head at the age of about 7. Not moving but parked in a pub carpark in
> Anglesea if my very vague recollection is right. Spooky!
>
> Lee D

These two posts explain a lot.

--
Rich
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