Polybush or not??

Hi,

I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes doing
on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I will be
fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
expect??

Mark

Mark Hi,

polybushes will give a slightly more precise feel on your steering input and
a harder feel on your ride quality.
It has been reported that hard polybushes (reds) may actually make the
suspension lose a bit of travel due to the decrease in flexing capacity of
the polyurathane compound when compared to the elastometallic bushes.

The opinion on whether they last longer or not than standard LR
elastometallic bushings is divided.
My personal experience with IRONMAN polyurathane bushings is very good with
the first even kit I used being still fitted on the same car after 8 years
and 80.000 kms of mixed use (which also included two selections for the
Greek camel trophy team of 1996 and 1997)

----

As for the caster correcting radius arms those will bring your steering
wheel's feeling and self centering characteristics back to where they used
to be before lifting the suspension. Some people also report an increase in
the bumpyness of the steering wheel when dealing with road or off roading
bumps/surface indulations but I have not had the chance to get to feel it on
vehicles with suspension height increase.
You see I am totally opposed to lifting the height of a vehicle for everyday
use but then this is a totally different discussion subject.

Where are you going to be buying the caster correcting radius arms from?
Scorpion Racing and QT service produce their own versions and they both have
something different to offer. Both are much lighter than the standard LR
ones and they do a very good job. If I remember well Dave of Llama 4x4 is
also producing his own or can adapt your radius arms ,so that they can
correct the caster angle related discrepency when lifting your suspension,
and I am sure they are of top quality and very well made as all of his
products. (I am not associated with Dave but I do represent SR and QT for
Greece)

Take care
Pantelis

"murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
doing
> on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I will
be
> fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
> expect??
>
> Mark
>
>

I have fitted red polybushes to my 90 which I use off road. They definately
last longer than rubber ones as I was always changing them. They make the
ride firmer, which is not a bad thing on road as it makes the steering seem
more precise. But off road I wish they were softer, cant have it all ways I
suppose!! Maybe the blue 'comfort' ones next time!
Richard


"murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
> doing
> on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I will
> be
> fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
> expect??
>
> Mark
>
>

If you intend to any serious offroading don't even consider polybushes! ( of
any make ). 9 bushes on 2 vehicles in 6 hours of use in an event in France
proved to us that they are a great marketing exercise and a crap product!!
If all you do is the school run and occasional harder use they will
improve the handling and are easier to fit.
IMHO they are all crap in use and we haven'y even touched on the long term
damage they do to the components around them yet!!!

David
LLAMA 4x4
www.llama4x4.co.uk

"murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
doing
> on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I will
be
> fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
> expect??
>
> Mark
>
>

murph wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
> doing on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I
> will be fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences
> should I expect??
>
> Mark
My 110 had a mix of red polybush and rubbber bushes when I got it. I gave up
on polybushes for the rear lower links as they lasted only a few thousand
kilometres -genuine part rubber ones last about 100,000, but I have
recently replaced the last of the polybushes at the front of the front
radius rods. At the same time I replaced the bushes at the front of the
A-frame (which were rubber but showing slight wear). Panhard rod had
already been replaced with rubber years ago. For the first time I now have
all rubber, with a marked improvement in ride on rough surfaces, and no
perceptible change in handling. Given this experience I will not be going
back to polybushes.
The other side of polybushes is that they are easier to fit, but since I
have a press, this is not a factor. One thing that needs to be considered
is that there are a number of different brands of polybush, and these
probably differ at least as much as the rubber ones do - and I have found
that the non-genuine rubber ones at the front of the lower links are as
short lived as the polybushes.
JD

Local LR specialist said exactly the same, I think a barge pole and not
touching was mentioned!!



"David_LLAMA4x4" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you intend to any serious offroading don't even consider polybushes!
> ( of
> any make ). 9 bushes on 2 vehicles in 6 hours of use in an event in France
> proved to us that they are a great marketing exercise and a crap product!!
> If all you do is the school run and occasional harder use they will
> improve the handling and are easier to fit.
> IMHO they are all crap in use and we haven'y even touched on the long term
> damage they do to the components around them yet!!!
>
> David
> LLAMA 4x4
> www.llama4x4.co.uk
>
> "murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
> doing
>> on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I will
> be
>> fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
>> expect??
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
>

Pantelis,

I bought the Disco with the lift kit, had to several welding jobs on it, but
it is for playing with, I will be getting the radius arms from David @ Llama
4 x 4.I will also get longer brake flexi pipes as they are standard pipes
on it at the moment.
Looks like I will be going for polybush kit as well.
thanks
Mark
"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mark Hi,
>
> polybushes will give a slightly more precise feel on your steering input
and
> a harder feel on your ride quality.
> It has been reported that hard polybushes (reds) may actually make the
> suspension lose a bit of travel due to the decrease in flexing capacity of
> the polyurathane compound when compared to the elastometallic bushes.
>
> The opinion on whether they last longer or not than standard LR
> elastometallic bushings is divided.
> My personal experience with IRONMAN polyurathane bushings is very good
with
> the first even kit I used being still fitted on the same car after 8 years
> and 80.000 kms of mixed use (which also included two selections for the
> Greek camel trophy team of 1996 and 1997)
>
> ----
>
> As for the caster correcting radius arms those will bring your steering
> wheel's feeling and self centering characteristics back to where they used
> to be before lifting the suspension. Some people also report an increase
in
> the bumpyness of the steering wheel when dealing with road or off roading
> bumps/surface indulations but I have not had the chance to get to feel it
on
> vehicles with suspension height increase.
> You see I am totally opposed to lifting the height of a vehicle for
everyday
> use but then this is a totally different discussion subject.
>
> Where are you going to be buying the caster correcting radius arms from?
> Scorpion Racing and QT service produce their own versions and they both
have
> something different to offer. Both are much lighter than the standard LR
> ones and they do a very good job. If I remember well Dave of Llama 4x4 is
> also producing his own or can adapt your radius arms ,so that they can
> correct the caster angle related discrepency when lifting your suspension,
> and I am sure they are of top quality and very well made as all of his
> products. (I am not associated with Dave but I do represent SR and QT for
> Greece)
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
> "murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
> doing
> > on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I will
> be
> > fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
> > expect??
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
>
>

Mark Hi,

Dave's reshaped radius arms are the most cost effective solution for you
people in the UK.
If only it did not cost an arm and a leg to have them shipped to
Greece.........

Let us know of your comments after you have fitted the polybushes. It will
definately make a change if your bushings are already tired and worn out but
I want to see whether you will also experience the harder and harsher "feel"
of the vehicle.
Nice to hear about your opinion after playing with it and applying some rear
force to them.
I take Dave's word very seriously and would like to see whether you will
also have problem with polybushes failing on you when pushed hard.
Here in Greece where trialing events are VERY new (we only started doing a
decent trialing championship for the second season this year) there have
been no reported incidents of polybushes failing on Landies but then again
those are not high speed or endurance competition events.

Take care
Pantelis

"murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pantelis,
>
> I bought the Disco with the lift kit, had to several welding jobs on it,
but
> it is for playing with, I will be getting the radius arms from David @
Llama
> 4 x 4.I will also get longer brake flexi pipes as they are standard pipes
> on it at the moment.
> Looks like I will be going for polybush kit as well.
> thanks
> Mark
> "Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Mark Hi,
> >
> > polybushes will give a slightly more precise feel on your steering input
> and
> > a harder feel on your ride quality.
> > It has been reported that hard polybushes (reds) may actually make the
> > suspension lose a bit of travel due to the decrease in flexing capacity
of
> > the polyurathane compound when compared to the elastometallic bushes.
> >
> > The opinion on whether they last longer or not than standard LR
> > elastometallic bushings is divided.
> > My personal experience with IRONMAN polyurathane bushings is very good
> with
> > the first even kit I used being still fitted on the same car after 8
years
> > and 80.000 kms of mixed use (which also included two selections for the
> > Greek camel trophy team of 1996 and 1997)
> >
> > ----
> >
> > As for the caster correcting radius arms those will bring your steering
> > wheel's feeling and self centering characteristics back to where they
used
> > to be before lifting the suspension. Some people also report an increase
> in
> > the bumpyness of the steering wheel when dealing with road or off
roading
> > bumps/surface indulations but I have not had the chance to get to feel
it
> on
> > vehicles with suspension height increase.
> > You see I am totally opposed to lifting the height of a vehicle for
> everyday
> > use but then this is a totally different discussion subject.
> >
> > Where are you going to be buying the caster correcting radius arms from?
> > Scorpion Racing and QT service produce their own versions and they both
> have
> > something different to offer. Both are much lighter than the standard LR
> > ones and they do a very good job. If I remember well Dave of Llama 4x4
is
> > also producing his own or can adapt your radius arms ,so that they can
> > correct the caster angle related discrepency when lifting your
suspension,
> > and I am sure they are of top quality and very well made as all of his
> > products. (I am not associated with Dave but I do represent SR and QT
for
> > Greece)
> >
> > Take care
> > Pantelis
> >
> > "murph" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have a Disco 1 with a 2 inch suspension lift, it needs a few bushes
> > doing
> > > on the front Panhard rod etc, is it worth putting poly bushes in, I
will
> > be
> > > fitting camber correction radius arms soon, what differences should I
> > > expect??
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

On or around Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:15:42 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Dave's reshaped radius arms are the most cost effective solution for you
>people in the UK.
>If only it did not cost an arm and a leg to have them shipped to
>Greece.........

ISTR someone sells different swivel housings to do the same job.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

I replaced every bush on my Range Rover with a combination of Red and blues,
they lasted a total of 6 months of road use only (heavy towing).

I had to have to whole lot replaced again with originals, not only that but
the panhard road was wrecked and had to be replaced.

I can see how useful they could be in the middle of nowhere when a press is
never going to be an option but other than that I could never recommend
them.

Alan M.

Austin Hi,

Radius arms are expensive to send to Greece but cheap to replace on the
vehicle.
Swivel housings on the other hand are cheap to send to Greece but expensive
to fit (and I think they are also expensive to buy)

I think it is QT that sells them for more than +2 (or is it +4?) inches
suspension lifts.

Take care
PAntelis

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Fri, 14 Jan 2005 15:15:42 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Dave's reshaped radius arms are the most cost effective solution for you
> >people in the UK.
> >If only it did not cost an arm and a leg to have them shipped to
> >Greece.........
>
> ISTR someone sells different swivel housings to do the same job.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
> Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

On or around Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:16:58 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Hi,
>
>Radius arms are expensive to send to Greece but cheap to replace on the
>vehicle.
>Swivel housings on the other hand are cheap to send to Greece but expensive
>to fit (and I think they are also expensive to buy)

you could always take the existing arms off and get a blacksmith to bend
'em...

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
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